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America’s automakers have staked their futures on the notion that electric vehicles will dominate sales in the coming years, spurred by buyers determined to reduce carbon emissions and save on fuel.

But so far, while EV sales are growing, their pace is falling well short of the industry’s ambitious timetable for transitioning away from combustion engines. Instead, buyers are increasingly embracing a quarter-century-old technology whose popularity has been surging: The gas-electric hybrid, which alternates from gas to battery power to maximize efficiency.

So far in 2023, Americans have bought a record 1 million-plus hybrids — up 76% from the same period last year, according to Edmunds.com. As recently as last year, purchases had fallen below 2021’s total. This year’s figures don’t even include sales of 148,000 plug-in hybrids, which drive a short distance on battery power before a gas-electric system kicks in.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

We leased a PHEV, in part, because of this. The other half was finding an EV that comfortably fit 5 people for road trips (live in the western US).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Which one did you get? I would love a plug in hybrid, but I need the third row for the dog, and all of them get middling reviews.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Mazda CX-90. Very comfortable 3rd row. Ours is the 7-seater with captains chairs in the middle row. It’s also a blast to drive.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Thanks! My wife had a Mazda 3 back in the day, and I always enjoyed driving it. I didn't even know Mazda was making a PHEV.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

This is Mazda’s new PHEV platform and flagship car. It’s a 2.5L Turbo and has a 26 mile battery (gets more than 30 in summer, 15 in winter). Pure EV mode, Off Road, Normal, Sport (which is more than adequate for overtaking), and Towing if you get the package.

90% of the time we’re in EV only, but when we need range the gas will get us over 400 miles consistently. It comes with a level 1 charger but supports level 2 up to 32A for faster charging. It does not support level 3. Only real issue is the battery is smaller than we’d like but we’re also in the west where everything is spread out. Even then, as I said, we’re still in EV only most of the time. It does have aggressive regen braking with a setting to lighten it (never tried it) so it recovers charge pretty quickly. It can recharge the EV battery while driving but gas mileage will drop by a few miles/gal and it takes a full hour from dead. It does have a healthy reserve so when it’s stopped it’s almost always in EV with the engine stopped. It also has Auto Hold so you don’t have to leave your foot on the brake at lights. This works in gas mode as well. However, it defaults to off so you have to press the button each startup.

Suspension is stiffer than some like but it’s no worse than modern Kia’s. This is with the 21” wheels, 19’s would be softer. Steering wheel is typical Mazda stiff so it tracks straight absolutely sublimely.

Ours has the upgraded Bose audio system and, as an audio snob, it’s actually very good. Has 3 subs (1 large in the trunk, 2 smaller in the front footwells). It can sound boomy or pretty clear depending on EQ you prefer. It’s 90% as good as a system I built in my previous vehicle. It’s even better at low volume and higher speeds thanks to the adequate auto volume/EQ leveling. I wouldn’t bother upgrading the speakers.

It definitely still has the zoom, zoom.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Thank you! That's very helpful

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Not the guy you were talking to but a family member recently got the Kia Sportage PHEV, they are very happy with it.

No third row, but it's a very roomy SUV

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

A roomy trunk would work for the dog. Thanks!

Side question, are people still stealing Kias as a social media challenge?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I wouldn't know 🤔

I'll have to tell my sister to keep an eye out though

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Not the OP, but the Kia thefts were on their lower trim packages that did not have push to start options and used keyed ignition instead. Any of their PHEVs or hybrid models tend to only have the higher trim packages so they can charge more for them (I own a Kia Niro PHEV), and the push to start keyless starters have the immobilizer installed. It’s started to die down a bit on the thefts, but make sure that the model you’re looking at has push to start AND immobilizer installed before buying.

I love my Kia, and I would recommend them highly based on my personal experience, but just make sure you research before picking one up.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Thank you, that's very helpful!