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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

I’m hosting one right now. Lemmyunchained.net

But in will have to Limit Users at some point.

I dont Think people properly understand they can be on any server. And join multiple communities. And it all Show up in their Feed. They don’t Need to worry about “which community has the Most Users”

[–] Wats0ns 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yes they can be on any instance, but I'm starting to get worried about the number of communities that are on Lemmy.world

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can you move a community once it's created?

[–] Wats0ns 1 points 1 year ago

Nope, but that would be an awesome new feature!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Nope, it has to manually be setup again, and you'd have to get everyone to subscribe to the new one as well.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It disregards the benefits of a distributed platform. Imagine if the admins went rouge, or the server data was irreversibly lost, suddenly all that content would be gone or under the authoritarian rule of the admins. Bit dramatic but you get the point.

If the majority of content is on there, we've quite literally taken a decentralised system and centralised it lol

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

On a more technical level, it takes quite some ressources for a server to broadcast their communities to all other lemmy instances.

"Receiving" a remote community is just reading data and inserting it in your instance. But if a community is hosted on your instance, you have to send that data to each and every instances with at least one user subscribed to it.

So it's really better for everyone to spread out on as many instances as possible. The only thing I would recommend before setting up a community (or your user account) on an instance is to check if you align with their moderation rules/code of conduct.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

We did it ~~reddit~~ err... sorry guys... old habits and all

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

No. I think the other instances would need to purge that content right? I could be wrong.

Assuming it’s federated. And someone from your server is subscribed to that community.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Communities are inherently tied to the instance on which they are created and cannot be moved. If the instance is overloaded then that community will not federate properly. If the instance goes down nobody can post to the community. If the instance goes away that community goes away (except for the "cache" that other instances have).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hmm. I’m not sure if that’s the case. I’m interested to see what the plan is for account migration. Weather posts will follow the user. Or stay with the instance.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Migration of ActivityPub stuff is pretty rough... Everything has an ID, and that ID is the URL, so the ID of the post you replied to is literally https://lemmy.nrd.li/comment/227095... AFAIK there are some (non-standard, at least not in core AP) ways you can mark things to be like "yeah, this moved to over here", but that isn't built in to the spec so whether those mechanisms actually work is a crapshoot.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I think we should expect/aim to just have some "mass repost script" that can take an extract of a community's content and just "repost" it on a new community.

Basically, a script that would "replay" a community in one go. I don't know if you could create "new comments" that immitates perfectly the original commenter but that would be the idea for a quick and very dirty "community mover script".

A bit like in GIT when you want to change/remove a specific commit, you can only replay/rebuild everything from the start by creating new everything posts/comments.

Or maybe that's a terrible plan ;)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Looking at my sql databases, I noticed there’s other identifiers on users and content. Not the url.

It may be that the url is linked to the ID. And that ID can just change.

I’m pretty much a noob. Just a lurker on the matrix chats.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm talking purely from an ActivityPub/Activity Streams/Activity Vocabulary/JSON-LD perspective. There are some other local identifiers for things in Lemmy, but those do not matter for the purposes of federation. Any Object that is federated is expected to have an ID that is a URL at which you can make a GET request with the proper Accept header and you will get the latest version of that Object. AFAIK there is no provision for IDs to change.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Understood. I don’t know how the devs intend to overcome that challenge. If if it’s even a realistic goal. I just know it gets discussed often.

[–] 0xc0ba17 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

When lemmy.world will disappear, that'll be a lot of communities (and valuable information) that will go with it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I don’t know if that’s the intention of Lemmy. It’s not Reddit. It’s not an encyclopaedia.

But I get that it would be annoying.

My understanding is that other instances would need to purge Lemmy.works for that info to all disappear.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In practice right now it can be a bit schetchy tbh. Finding and subscribing to them is flakey and searching can be a bit hit and miss too.

When it does all work both smoothly and seemlessly then we'll be golden.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yes. Because there’s no centralised list of communities, searching is extremely difficult. Or if not, very time consuming. Following every iteration of every node.

I’m not sure how that can be overcome.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That’s cool. I’ll check it out.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The best way I can think of at the moment is a searchable website that gives you a link to click to seamlessly subscribe to them directly.

It'd be fine if the website is user submitted rather than having to interrogate all the servers on the back end, because the results would have seen a human eye and be better quality.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yeh. I think there are websites that do that already. I haven’t really looked. But has to be some form of centralised list.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It doesn’t quite all show up the feed no matter what instance someone is on. In order for content to federate on an instance someone on that instance has to directly access it. I think this is why small niche instances appear to have a trickle of content on “all”.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

There is a lemmy seed script you can use as an admin that gets you a "default sub" experience https://github.com/Fmstrat/lcs

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sorry. Was a typo. Says can join* any community and it show up on the feed. They need to join first. Yeas.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

One person on your instance needs to join for the community to appear. That is the major benefit of joining a large instance, you don't need to search other instances or use 3rd party tools to find new communities.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've seen something like 8 comments pointing people towards their own servers.

Which essentially guarantees a level of community fragmentation as to prevent community growth, cohesive, or general activity does it not?

Ideally each community "group" would have their own Lemmy instance.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yeh. There’s a few servers that donut really well. Lemmy.nsfw is probably the best example I think.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

Unless I am mistaken, when the instance you sign up with dies, so does your account? Obviously your content and potentially profile will exist in some state, but you would no longer be able to authenticate, so for all intents and purposes your account is gone.

While that won’t matter for some, for others that means there is some importance in the decision of where you create your account. Since, once that instance decides to shut down (or if it happens to defederate,) your account goes with it.