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undefined> Lol, you are like most remain voters I encounter, you like the idea of the EU, but don’t actually know anything about it. Of the 3 current federations, which one would you like the EU to become? Russia? China? USA?
Mate one of the first posts you made on this contained 2 factually incorrect statements and none of your links have backed up your claims.
If me pointing this out makes me a typical remain voter, well I suppose that shows just how much more informed we are than you typically Brexit blind types.
Oh well in that case, £200 bn lost, plus 200bn to re do all that work when we do eventually join and then another eleventy billion for things I made up just like you.
OBR says otherwise.
You've already demonstrated you're willing to make incorrect statements (charitable) and unsupported claims, bit rich to be saying anything about others literacy.
I never said that though.
I said
' I think those are both fantastic examples of accountability' which is an entirely different statment
Do you always make up these straw men to knock down,do you think putting words in your debate opponents mouth is a god way to argue? You are simply incapable of responding to the actual point that's been stated or something?
You voted for fucking Brexit mate, and you're defending it. If you aren't a nationalist, you're in bed getting fleas off them.
Honestly, you 'lexiters' are more deluded than the most red faced sun reading UKIPers.
https://www.farminguk.com/news/world-s-largest-vertical-farm-set-to-open-in-norfolk_61380.html
Your Google fu sucks as does your critical thinking skills
Again, the UK has not spent 200b, source?
Yes, I did vote for it. Very happy with it. Guess it just sucks to be you
Sure, the OBR says 4% GDP loss per year.
3.1 trillion per year GDP, let's make it 5% just to make it easy
150 billion per year, x 2+ years, it's well over 200bn.
Bloomberg also agrees
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-31/brexit-is-costing-the-uk-100-billion-a-year-in-lost-output
So, you going to accept this fact then? or is it going to be fingers in ears?
What is this supposed to prove?
I'm saying, they have 2 of the largest companies in the world you've pointed to a company with 34 employees and 2 farms (1 in construction) In farm in Germany has 422 employees (source linkedin for both) so it's 10 times as big a company as the one you linked.
Haha, yeah I can tell, you won't accept reality, you can't accept you've made a huge mistake, you can't handle the truth!
Like I said, you're all remarkably gullible, I mean similar.
Lol, the OBR said 4% of GDP per CAPITA OVER 15 YEARS
LOL, YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING CLUE WHAT YOURE TALKING ABOUT 😂😂😂😂
Mate, firstly.
Calm down.
Secondly, you're wrong, it is GDP not GDP per capita and it is at least 200bn.
These are facts, accept the facts.
LOL
Fuck off and learn something before you give it large pal.
Productivity, as in GDP per capita. Not GDP.
https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions
No it's GDP, you are simply wrong, confidently wrong I will grant you, but wrong.
Tell me genius, what's the measure for long term productivity growth the OBR uses here?
https://obr.uk/box/productivity-growth-long-term/
Oh right, look at that, it's GDP.
I mean, are you saying Bloomberg is also wrong?
Again, resorting to insults just shows up your immaturity and the fact that you've lost this debate.
Fucking hell,
GDP is one thing
GDP per capita is a measure of productivity and living standards
Once you've worked that out, tell me what the loss of productivity that the OBR is forecasting is down to.
Hint, it's comparative advantage. When you've learned what that is, let me know.
Yeah I know what the difference is, I've just shown you that the OBR is referring to GDP when they walk about 'long term productivity growth' and nothing you have posted there contradicts that.
Seems to be a pattern here, you say something incorrect, I point it out, and you throw insults.
Lol, no they're not. Productivity is not GDP...
And the 4% is over 15 years and is a result of loss of comparative advantage.
If you have to compound an effect over 15 years to get 4%, the effect is fuck all.
So why do Bloomberg put it at 100bn based on that 4% figure?
Yeah, sounds unlikely doesn't it?
Let me ask you, what do you think it's cost the UK per year in billion pounds?
But that's what the forecast says. 4% of productivity lost over the long term of 15 years due to loss of comparative advantage
https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis
But the forecast is for the cost, no benefit is included.
The loss of comparative advantage is replaced, I'd argue, with competitive advantage which has a much stronger effect. The UK is no longer bound by the anti science regulations on genetic engineering and the new overly restrictive proposed regulations on AI
GDP per capita is a ratio of GDP / population, so if you do more with fewer people, by using automation, robots and AI, your GDP per capita will grow...
The 4% figure over 15 years is a difference of 0.29% to 0.27% productivity growth. Government policy has at least that 0.02% effect
I predict a Starmer govt will be able to introduce policy that will offset the productivity loss just by investing in renewable energy, let alone any research universities' innovations.
You don't understand your own link, 🤡