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Oh, so like alcohol.
No, you should reread the entire comment, instead of taking a portion out of context, but okay, I'll play:
If an adult provides alcohol to an underage person, and they drive and kill someone, that adult can be criminally liable.
Hallucinogens as strong as psilocybin alter ones perception and motor functions in ways that are completely alien to anyone who doesn't already have experience with them.
The risks I'm mainly talking about is the legal liability of the shop owner, as his protest is to make widely available these substances to people, many who likely have no frame of reference of what to expect and it's not unreasonable to see how that could expose this guy to some serious legal risks.
FWIW I have lots of experience with a wide range of them, and am speaking from that experience, not second hand accounts. I thought my comment about staring into wood grains was a not very subtle nod at that, but I guess not.
Your comments come off as condescending and concern trolling. Did you RTFA? The shop owner says he has people sign waivers and agree to safe use.
I can promise you he's not giving the things away to any kid that walks in the store. The only reason people are unfamiliar with the effects of psilocybin is because it's illegal; They grow on literal waste. The ancients would pick them and eat them as snacks when they went out foraging or on the hunt. We are better off encouraging cautious exploration than we are trying to scare people out of a potentially deep and meaningful experience.
Yes, I read the article where he makes them pinky promise and sign a permission slip. That doesn't bolster your argument anymore then it will provide him a legal shield.
It's not concern trolling, it's voicing legitimate risks associated with uneducated and inexperienced people taking them based on my personal extensive experiences, as well as the scientific data around the efficacy of psilocybin as a treatment for PTSD - which was suggested at in the same article you implied I didn't read.
I also said they should be legal, but again, that doesn't really have any bearing on my assertions that this guy is exposing himself to a lot legal risks due to the nature of psilocybin's effects, particularly on inexperienced users, nor that using psilocybin with, or to treat, PTSD, not just ineffective, but also a bad idea - unlike MDMA which actually has scientific evidence to support it's efficacy as a PTSD treatment (paired with psychotherapy).
"The shop owner says he has people sign waivers"
A liability waiver is not legally binding if the activity or substance provides is illegal.
"The ancients would pick them and eat them as snacks, when they went out foraging"
Says who, Terrance McKenna? There is actually very little evidence of widespread Psilocybin consumption.
"Potentially deep and meaningful experience"
If people find meaning in hallucinations, then they can find meaning in reality. In fact the vast majority of evidence shows that psychedelics produce worthless creativity because it's not constrained by logic.
Sounds to me like you could use a couple of grams
Edit: lol, it's not even the same guy. Cops on lemmy already? God damn