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[–] [email protected] 112 points 9 months ago (12 children)

If you're making 150k and are living paycheck to paycheck you either live in a crazy expensive area or are a total fucking idiot when it comes to managing your money.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 9 months ago (10 children)

Rent in NYC where I live is insane. My partner and I recently toured a place where they broke up the basement of a building into 4 apartments, none of which had a real bedroom, and were asking for $3k each

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (3 children)

This is a trend everywhere, I just recently moved to different apartment and I’d say 8/10 apartments I saw on Zillow and the other sites were these “open concept” or whatever 1 bedrooms and hallway kitchens. It’s depressing

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 9 months ago (11 children)

Try making $150k in a "reasonably priced area." It can be done, but is not the norm. The problem is that to make a good salary, you have to be in a place that pays those wages. Obviously, this attracts more people, so real estate is more expensive.

The trick is to make $150k in some kind of sweet spot where housing does not compensate. But it's always a moving target and is extremely difficult. Then in you lose your job? Start all over again.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (6 children)

I started working remotely and then left America. Now I live in a very low cost of living city and haven't owed more than 1-2% taxes in years.. It blows my mind that more people don't do this.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

If they did, it wouldn't be a low cost of living area for long

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Most people won't do something if they think it's "too hard," even if it will solve their problems.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

You just explained how work from home jobs will transform how people buy housing and where they buy it.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago (18 children)

Go look at a mortgage or even rent in any major city.

[–] Socsa 16 points 9 months ago (17 children)

Hi, this is pretty much me, and I concur. If you can't live on $150k then you are definitely making some questionable decisions. That's around $8k/m take home. Even if you are spending $4k on rent/mortgage, you should have plenty left over to live on.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Hmmm you're not going to be making 150k a year in a shit fly over state.

I moved from the Bay Area to the East side of Washington near Seattle, folks here don't make as much as I do for sure, at least not on average. We both have good salaries so we can afford a lot of things. We essentially got to keep most of our bay area salaries.

But even then if we need a big repair we still have to sit down and plan out the money.

I can't even imagine what it's like for folks around here.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I live in Nebraska, and all comp included make around 155k per year salary + bonus. You can make that kind of money even here in the "shit"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I'm a software architect, though even when I was just a senior java developer I was making 130k, software pays well even in the fly overs.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

In California, a new mortgage payment is 8-15k/month. Rent on an apartment is 3-4k/month. $150k salary isn’t enough for the mortgage and will struggle to cover that cost of rent.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago

Terrible assumption

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

Household income not personal income? And gross not net, correct? After healthcare, taxes and retirement deductions my net is 50% of gross so let's say that calculates to 6,250 a month. It is a lot of money! But for a household of 4, 2 paid off cars 3 drivers and one college student with no tuition costs, and one high schooler in a school that gives everyone lunch(so it could be much worse) here the average community monthly costs are:

2.5k mortgage with the tax & insurance in there, make that 3k if you are renting.

800/ month car insurance

600/month electric, water, internet

200/month family cell phone service

50/month streaming and donations to community radio

600/month average repair & maintenance on home and cars

Leaving 1700 for food for 4, gas, vet bills, credit card payments (because if someone is making bank now, they got there by making less for years). It's certainly reasonable but here it's about the least you can make household - wise and be solid, so if you are making 50k, you need three people working not two. And I can see how a family could get behind. That 2.5k plus $600 housing cost can be much more if you bought a house in the last year or so, and car loan or tuition could also blow this up, as could a medical emergency.

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[–] VintageTech 11 points 9 months ago
[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Or you only consider your expenses after savings and think that you are "living paycheck to paycheck" because you use up all your non-invested money by the end of the month.

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