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Pro-Palestinian protesters disrupt Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade in New York City
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I fail to see how the birth rate factors into the idea of a genocide. Those are not mutually exclusive things. Genocide only implies the intention to kill a group of people, in whole OR IN PART.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide Here is a rundown of the meaning and history of the word 'genocide', feel free to read the article and familiarize yourself with the recorded definition.
I'm glad I could correct your lack of understanding of the definition of the word. Far too many republicans seem not to understand the meanings of the words they use.
I am familiar with the word. Read the first sentence of the wiki article. It is the destruction of the people. That would imply, by definition a decline in the population.
Israel is not performing a genocide. Israel is defending themselves from people trying to destroy it.
Nazi Germany tried to kill the Jewish people, and you will note the large population decline of Jews in Europe because of the mass killing of the Jews.
The Palestinians on the other hand are attacking Israel and they get bombed in self-defense. Their goal is not destroying the Palestinians but only to destroy their ability to wage war against Israel.
oh I see where you got it wrong! No, the decline or increase of a population has no bearing on genocide - it is the intentional killing of a group in whole OR IN PART.
So the amount of babies born does not cancel out the killing of other members of the group, if the intention is to wipe out the group in whole OR IN PART.
That is the definition of genocide, it does not in any way rely upon or even relate to the rate of birth!
I'm glad we could clear that up, and as such that I am in fact correct that the actions of the apartheid state Israel DO in fact rise to the basic definition of the word Genocide, as defined by the common definition, the wikipedia article and the United Nations!
In whole or part would imply a population decline.
It is not genocide to defend yourself from terrorist attacks and rocket attacks.
No, they do not rise to the basic definition. The UN has not declared it because it does not meet that standard.
It would seem to imply that wouldn't it, but it doesn't actually when you think about it. After all, the holocaust would still have been a genocide EVEN IF 6 million Jewish people were also born during world war 2. I'm glad I could help you through this misunderstanding!
So once again, the birth rate is not at issue, has no bearing, and in fact has nothing to do with the definition of Genocide. It's not the birth rate, thats not a thing, that has never been a thing, it does not and never has been a part of the definition of genocide.
It has nothing, nothing, nothing, to do with the birth rate. I hope I have stated that clearly and politely :D
You're confused about what a genocide is. Yes, birth rate is defined in the phrase. Since the destruction of the group is the end goal, if they're growing, then you are not doing a great job a genocide.
SInce Israel does not have the goal of destroying the Palestinians, it isn't genocide. It isn't by definition, no matter how much you want to pretend it is. ]
It is nothing more than self-defense from the the attack from the Palestinians. If they stopped attacking Israel, then Israel wouldn't attack them.
Hey good news wintermute! The UN are currently calling on the international community to declare the events in Palestine as a Genocide! Here is a link:
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/11/gaza-un-experts-call-international-community-prevent-genocide-against
Also, I checked the wikipedia article for the phrase "Birth Rate" and it does not come up. In fact the only mention of birth is that an addition definition for genocide is the prevention of births, however it is not a necessary action to meet the definition of the word Genocide.
Genocide can take many forms, and CANNOT, IN ANY WAY, AT ALL, EVER, be counteracted by the rate of new births. That is not a thing and has never been a thing. Can you please provide me any literature that claims that the increase in births has any bearing on whether an action can be viewed as a Genocide?
Wow, the UN. Call me when someone worth a damn says something
Sorry I have to disagree with you. I’ll leave it as that. Since the only way to destroy a population is by deceasing the numbers. I think it’s self evident you must see a population decline.
So we will leave it at that. You think self defense is genocide and I think it’s when you try to exterminate a population.
That's okay, you're not disagreeing with me, you're disagreeing with the literal meaning of the word. We can't just make things up to suit how we'd like reality to be. All the best 👍
No, you just can't understand the meaning of the word. I get it. Many people have trouble understanding the meaning of words. You seem to think self defense is genocide and while I find that odd, I get if from your view of the world. You just hate jews and think they should peacefully be exterminated. That is a stance I don't agree with and will always defend Israels right to sell defense.
I thought you were done? I provided the definition and you did not, unless you can provide me a definition of the word from a reputable source, which contains references to birth rates as a contraindicator of genocide, then I'm sorry, but you're just going to have to continue to take the L 😉
You provided a definition but then ignore what it states. It clearly does not show Israel committing genocide. Not even close.
I am not taking an L because you don't understand the meaning of words.
It clearly states the destruction of people. That clearly isn't happening. Israel is only defending itself from the attack by the Palestinians. Nothing more. If any one is committing genocide, it's the Palestinians against the Israelis. Hamas has clearly said they want to destroy Israel. That is genocide.
Please stay on topic, and provide a definition of genocide that agrees with your views that rates of childbirth can counteract an act of genocide to the point where it no longer counts as an act of genocide.
Provide a citation, or take the L. Stay on topic.
Link. Or admit you are wrong.
Provide a link.