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Yes, and if he was locked up without due process, it would say something else.
They lock people up without due process awaiting trial all the time though right?
Depends, there's certainly a good argument to be made that the bail system is flawed, etc. But trump was arraigned and is out on bail.
Yes you're right, I forgot about the bail part. And the bail system certainly is flawed. Generally aren't you not allowed to leave your state if you're out on bail?
It depends on the state and the bail conditions, which can be modified. Restrictions are based on priors, flight risk, violent tendency, etc.
That's why the gag orders make the news. To your point, folks would be knocked for shit like that.
This line is being crossed on purpose. He can get his propaganda out, and if he actually gets tagged, that's even better propaganda.
Which sucks. But, I imagine the decision-making by the courts is based on avoiding creating a political prisoner out of him. So, we deal with a flawed system, increase fines, and wait for the process to unfold.
"May we live in interesting times" and all that.
Yes I think I have to agree that (I hope) there is a long game going on where they are minimizing the chance of asking for appeal, a slam dunk case. And of course his base would love nothing more than to have him in prison, as theb he becomes a martyr. For what's its worth id rather live in boring times!
If there's one lesson I've learned in my 48 years, it's that boring moments are underrated and moments are overrated. Everyone says they are bored and want some excitement, but excitement doesn't mean good things. More often than not, it is something bad. I'd rather have a boring day than an exciting one.
I still hope that one day politics will be boring again. No "if the Republican gets into office democracy might fail." No "Trump is calling for the arrest of anyone who spoke up against him." Just "the two major party candidates have differing opinions but both would lead this country competently." Make Politics Boring Again!
You claim to only have 48 years on this earth, but you talk about getting back to a time that hasn't existed in at least that long. Are you just reminiscing about rose-tinted stories you heard from your elders? The "good times" they want to return to were anything but for many of us.
Exactly, me too!
If he wasn't wealthy and white he'd be behind bars right now awaiting trial.
He's wealthy and orange though.
wealthy*
* not really
Due process does not mean, "scott free until there's a guilty verdict", you utter numpty. These aren't all civil charges.
The wheels of justice grind very slowly. The bigger the case, the longer it takes to build.
But yes, I'm getting impatient. There should be consequences for trying to overthrow the government.
Yes, fair. I want an air tight case, and that takes time. It's frustrating. But a flimsy case would be worse. Putting him directly into jail would be worse and set a terrible precedent. People seem eager to fall head first into his narrative.
"Justice delayed is justice denied", especially if it's delayed long enough for the defendant to dismantle the justice system itself.
He should have been arrested on the spot and thrown into gitmo while the courts decide what to do with the body.
I just want him to get the same treatment I would get if I committed a serious crime in broad daylight.
Sure, we'll all be waiting for a verdict with baited breath.