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A recently released Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) document titled “Domestic Terrorism Symbols Guide”* links common protest symbols to “terrorism” — another marker in a common theme of conflating militant protest for social justice with deadly terrorist violence within the United States. Groups like the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and the Brennan Center have raised warnings about such documents, citing inadequate protections for people’s constitutional rights.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Your first half was good, but impugning terrorist actions on them wasn't the way to go.

I do agree though: setting fire to courthouses, or creating an environment of lawlessness that guarantees small mom and pop businesses get looted is also not a winning cause. Protesting and counter-protesting where normal operations can continue is essential. The moment you start fucking with people's day-to-day is where you lost.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Isn’t protest supposed to make things inconvenient for people and to make them uncomfortable? I agree that local small businesses should not be wrecked because that just makes you the bad guy, but if people are able to go about their day without having to make any adjustments, then is the message being properly conveyed?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Exactly, that's literally the point of protesting. To inconvenience people and make them aware of the issues. And to show those in power that you're not just going to go away if they ignore you. "Peaceful" protests are the show of force in the same way that worker strikes are the compromise workers and bosses agreed to to voice issues instead of going straight to dragging the bosses out of the factory and beating them to death in the streets.

The same things they're saying today about protesters are the exact same things they said about MLK and the Civil Rights Movement. The hand-wringing about protesting "the right way" has always been about making it easy to sweep the issues under the rug. And that's not even getting into the number of times stuff like undercover cops were found attempting to instigate violence during Anti-Fa protests so they could justify using violence against the protesters.

The Million Man March on Washington wasn't a "peaceful protest," it was a statement. It disrupted the entire city and made white people across the country afraid. Because if black people could assemble a million people to "peacefully" march across the city, disrupting the entire life of the city, what would they be willing and capable of doing if things got worse?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Even Gandhi has been misunderstood on this subject. I see people cite him very vaguely as a way of trying to get people to "quiet down and be peaceful (obedient and subservient)" but Gandhi, while non-violent, didn't avoid confrontation. He just didn't use violence to achieve it. He absolutely had an end goal of change, and did not accept the law as a barrier to achieve it.

We don't have to accept war for change, but we often have to accept some form of confrontation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

This is just another reason why the left continues to lose the working class. Poor working people are not going to react well when you are fucking with their livelihoods. I've seen it first hand as a union organizer.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

There are ways to be smart about how you do it. I live in Portland and the way Antifa did it here was singularly successful at turning a majority of the city's population against them and their cause.

And keep in mind that Portland is very much a left-leaning city who's voters would otherwise have been quite sympathetic to the cause of police reform.