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[–] [email protected] 87 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Is there a country in the EU where the far right isn't on the rise? I need a Backup plan in case the nazis are voted in Germany again

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Denmark. You may not like how Frederiksen did it - she essentially opted for politics that are as anti-immigrant as legally possible - but she also obliterated the far right there. The two far-right parties in Folketing now total 10 of 179 seats..

And the difference between Frederiksen's social democrats and the actual far right is huge. No climate change denying, no cozying up to Russia, no anti-lgbtq nonsense, no anti-EU propaganda and so on.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah we have tax rebates for the rich, defunding of education, some laughably passive bordering nonexistent policies to protect local environment and combat climate change (heavily lobbied for by the agricultural lobby)....shit is going just A-OK here πŸ‘Œ

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

shit is going just A-OK here πŸ‘Œ

Well, the baseline is the rest of the planet, so unironically: yes. I mean, take the climate change portion for instance: Every single country on the planet is doing worse than Denmark. .

I also think your pig farming is silly and detrimental to the environment afaik the only reason you're not in a recession is fat people in America, but still, the numbers on pretty much everything make Denmark look pretty good. Or the rest of the world very shitty.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"Anti-immigrant" but welcoming people from select countries. Reminds me of how a Swedish person told me he thought there were too many immigrants but that I, a Canadian, would be perfectly welcome to go there.

Apparently some people are considered immigrants and that's bad, while others are just expats looking for a new home.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's cultural and religious differences that irritate people moreso, I find.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It's also that there's no interest to adopt the culture of the host country and rather building foreign bubbles

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Apparently some people are considered immigrants and that’s bad, while others are just expats looking for a new home.

I don't think they're considered expats if they plan to stay indefinitely. But yeah, there's vastly different sentiments towards different types of immigrants. Usually the surveys ask for "European immigration", but I guess a Canadian would fall into that as well, so they might just as well ask about Western immigration (the use European because of EU freedom of movement). In part sentiments obviously have a lot to do with racism and xenophobia, but it's unfortunately not just that. The statistics for people who immigrated irregularly (i.e. without a visa) really don't look good. E.g. here in Germany in 2022 foreign nationals made up some 16% of the population but 32% of crime suspects (excluding crimes around migration which Germans can't commit). The percentages regarding people who actually get convicted are even worse and "Zugewanderte" (recent immigrants, mainly asylum seekers) used to have even worse numbers as well (before the refugees from Ukraine, largely women and children came).

Obviously there's demographic and socioeconomic reasons for that discrepancy. The main issue is that there's a lot of young men among immigrants and you men tend to commit most crimes, but that obviously doesn't undo any of these crimes. Ukraine's rather sexist border controls (they don't allow men aged 18-60 to leave) really did their diaspora a solid here.

[–] bernieecclestoned 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oof, later in the day from when you commented that, there was a far right riot 😬

[–] bernieecclestoned 2 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Well that aged poorly exceptionally quickly πŸ˜‚

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Portugal? IIRC they’ve been quite resistant to right-wing populism.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Portugal's Chega party increased to 7,2Β % in 2022. That's lower than in the rest of the EU, but still an increase by eleven seats.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I stand corrected. And somewhat dejected.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Switzerland is a well tested option

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

SVP currently holds 25% of the seats in the federal council of Switzerland. Not exactly what I'd call Nazi-free.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Worse still, they are at 27%. And they have been in this area for quite a long time, so the proportion is somewhat stable.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The last time the Nazis were in power in Germany, Switzerland closed its borders to most people trying to flee, so maybe a well tested, but still not so good option...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

spain's fsr right wing party went down from 15% to 12% in the last elections.