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Wake-up Call: Democrats could easily lose the White House and Senate next year
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So sad that after so many failings, they still cannot learn! Do what's right, not what's personally profitable, you scumbags.
Do you want trump? This is how we get trump.
Exactly, the best thing Democrats or anti-Trump voters can do right now is blame the party for it's own failings rather than shame the left voters they need who are on the correct side of every issue. I view that as more a confession than anything. Too often this turns in to "oh you care about ____, well that's how we get Trump, get off your high horse and live in reality." Well now that blank is genocide, so they can't say this and save face anymore. Even though the US is always supporting this type of foreign policy, and you can rant about it all day if you're on the left while they shame you for caring, you're only taken seriously by Democrat voters when it's not able to be brushed under the rug as a minor issue.
Just think about how this is framed, "damn, this genocide is really bad for... Biden's polling." If that's the main concern of someone's here then you've already lost.
If you want to prepare, watch The Handmaid's Tale. Probably less entertaining when it's real life.
Task: literally impossible.
unfortunately for us and the world:
Roughly half of voters: YES
If you support biden, you are the scum bag.
Billions for bombs on Palestine, zero money for student loans.
I will never forget. And I will never vote blue again.
And that's wrong. But it's better than a Trump presidency giving x10 the amount.
It wasn't zero. Biden was still able to get some borrowers off the hook, just not as sweeping as necessary.
And you're ignoring SCOTUS's part of this.
Which is the exact type of decision that will lead us to another round of election lies, social safety net destruction, defunding of education, and corruption.
I'd rather haven Biden than live in Gilead.
Biden cuts a check for genocide
Dem voter: better than trump, better than trump, better than trump, better than trump.
You should get this tattooed on you.
No I'm including the flaws in the supreme court as apart of a large flawed structure that you insist I buy into and support.
I saw exactly zero money for student loans from biden, so that's how many votes he will get from me.
Bringing this up again and again doesn't help your argument when I've already addressed it.
Have you run out of arguments, leaving you with mocking as your last resort? Or do you have an actual argument here.
For you it was zero but it wasn't zero as a whole like you're trying to pretend.
Biden ran on debt cancellation, not a debt forgiveness of loams already eligable for debt relief.
This did nothing for me and thus I will give biden nothing.
Do you? Your only argument is better than trump.
You deserved to be mocked, your playing into the same lesser of Two evils logic they were using with George W bush.
You said it was zero but it wasn't.
On basically ever single issues Biden is better than Trump I'm at least some way. That's about as good as it can get in our two party system.
You're just using ad hominems. And it shows how dogshit your arguments are.
And yet everything still sux.
You: Would you like to eat dog shit or chicken shit. ?
Me : I don't want to eat any shit.
You: you must choose chicken shit or we will have to eat dog shit every day!!!!!
Me: What if we found something other than shit to eat?
You: better than dog shit! better than dog shit! better than dog shit!
You're not understanding. Everything sucking is better than everything being made intentionally worse.
Fixed it.
You have not found something better. There are three options:
Cardboard
Shit
You waste your vote and have to eat shit.
So why you think picking number 3 is the best option is beyond me.
Biden is not cardboard in my mind. It is not acceptable or palatable at all.
It's actually really funny to me that you decide to make this choice. To purpose biden is not chicken shit but instead cardboard.
The fact that you look at biden and the genocide that he is directly helping commit, and see that as acceptable, Says a lot more about you than me.
You are a genocide apologist.
Or in other words, carboard.
Dude, cardboard is not acceptable. I never said it was. I have explicitly told you that the current situation is not acceptable.
Dude I am so close to getting banned from c/conservative for saying Isreal's genocide is bad. You've got it backwards.
Then why are you accepting it?
A vote for biden is support for him to continue doing what he does. How do you not see that ?
While I can appreciate that. ( although its probably a waste of time) It doesn't absolve you from what your doing here.
You are actively pushing people to vote for a party who absolutely supports the genocide. They are the ones in power now. They are the ones who cut the check. There is always nuance, but there is no watering this down.
Biden supports genocide , you support Biden.
You support genocide.
I'm not. I'm specifically voting against it where possible.
Not really. A vote for Biden is a vote against Trump.
50 is bigger than 5. So I'll vote for 5.
I'm aware it's largely a waste of time. That's why I do it at work when I'm trying to kill time.
The democratic party is split. That's not good. But in comparison the republicans are at nearly 100% support for the current genocide, plus they are cool with a second one in Ukraine.
Both sides are not equal here.
I don't support Biden. I voted against him in the primaries. I hate his policy just as much as you do. You can vote for a politican without agreeing with 100% of what they do.
I'm doing what I can to reduce the impact of this country's terrible politics. And that start with making sure the least bad politician is the one that gets in, because doing nothing means the worst option (Trump) gets put in power.
I could just as easily say you support genocide.
You support Trump. Trump supports genocide. Therefore you support genocide.
Bruh you already forgot lmao
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-11/student-loan-debt-biden-forgives-127-billion-bringing-borrowers-relief
Through making changes to programs, after SCOTUS rejected his larger plan, $127B in loans has been forgiven.
This brought zero relief to me. So thanks biden for nothing. Nice gotcha tho.
Ah yes, because as we all know, the only thing that matters about politicians is their direct effect on Discoslug's personal well-being, other people be damned...
I guess your not including Palestinianz as people?
Pretty on point for a genocide supporter.
How about women then? Because guess who isn’t trying to end reproductive rights? One guess.
This isn’t even on the national level. We just voted here in Ohio to enshrine them into the state constitution, and wouldn’t you know it, the state legislature immediately responded by openly expressing their intent not to abide by the will of the people. Who makes up the majority (~70%) of the legislature here? Again, one guess.
By the way, I also had a choice on the ballot for who is on the board of education. One was a right-winger. The other was… also a right-winger, and an avowed member of Moms For Liberty. Maybe anyone on the left who was qualified for the position thinks like you, that nothing important gets done at the local level. [I voted for neither because, unlike you, I literally had no choice, it was a one-party vote] So now we have two more people on the school board who can and will work to ensure that kids learn the virtues of slavery, “traditional” family roles at the exclusion of all others, the nonexistence of people who are not 100% straight, and so on. But I’m sure that you’re cool with that because none of this pertains to genocide, the ~~most important~~ one solitary issue that matters in our lives. Guess we should stop caring about all that.
If someday my daughter is consigned to be a brood mare in the Dominionist Theocracy of America, don’t expect me to salute you because you “don’t support genocide”, you fucking hero.
This has nothing to do with your previous point, I'm just saying that it's ridiculous to judge a politician's performance based on how you personally as an individual benefitted from their policies. Like, we can take the labor wins, and the child tax credit, and the infrastructure bill, and appreciate that even though some of us didn't directly benefit from these it's better for society overall.
I didn't mention the conflict at all, where did you get this from? Would you like to be an adult and maybe ask what my position is before making such a bold assertion that has nothing to do with my previous statement? You're too mad to see the forest for the trees, dude.
This guy has no other arguments. They appear to have just one problem personally affecting them, which is student loan debt; otherwise, they’re fortunate enough to be able to care about one other issue and no more than that. That’s why they’re okay with the possibility of Trump winning because none of his policies will otherwise directly affect them. Must be a charmed life.
So if you don't personally benefit, it doesn't matter? Don't expect others to care about you if you only care about yourself. Because Biden not forgiving Discoslugs student loans isn't a problem to me, nor anyone else here. I don't see why that should factor into my voting decision or anybody else here's.
Like how you are caring about the Palestinian people being genocided rn? by voting for the guy who approved money for their ongoing genocide.
I could ask you the same question.
Fewer Palestinians are going to die under Biden than Trump. Do I wish the number was 0? Yes, absolutely. And I'm really disappointed it isn't. But there's still a choice to make here that'll save Palestinians who would be otherwise killed.
If 10,000 more Palestinians would die under Trump than Biden, and you don't see that as enough reason to vote for Biden, what does that say about how you feel about those 10,000 people?
There's a very easy way to tell the difference between someone paying lip service or using a tragedy as a weapon, and someone who actually cares about the issue. The person who cares doesn't stop when 0 deaths isn't achievable -- they keep working to make the number as close to 0 as possible. And with this context, when the options are to vote for Trump, Biden, or neither, I think the choice is fairly clear.