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[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Do people think Hamas wouldn't hide in a hospital? Theyve proved many times civilians aren't a concern

[–] [email protected] 80 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Do people think that there can't be two bad guys in a story? This isn't a good vs evil fight.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 9 months ago

"Good guys" are a myth invented by Hollywood to sell action figures

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

Do people think that there can’t be two bad guys in a story?

You're not going to like the answer...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It truly is a wonder some can't think that far

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Really disappoints me.

In some ways, this might reflect the futility of multi party systems. At the end of the day, coalitions of multiple groups are still split into two camps of government and opposition. We have to stop seeing every conflict as us vs them.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is a war between two terrorist organizations, one of them is funded by the United States.

We are funding terrorism. Your tax dollars are going to infant murder.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Same as it ever was

[–] [email protected] 34 points 9 months ago (3 children)

So, that justifies killing civilians?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago (2 children)

no, that justifies invading a hospital

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Tbf you'd have to invade the hospital to clear out the Hamas fighters using it as a base, especially if they were forcing it on the hospital staff

That or lay siege to it but uh... that'd be about as effective as issuing another round of sanctions on Iran at this point.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Ok, think it though. What happens when you bomb and invade a hospital filled with civilians?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

you think it through. what is the alternative?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

You edited your previous comment. That's just bad form

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Prove that you didn't edit your comment

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

that is not how it works. you are making a claim, you have to prove it.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 9 months ago

Can't think of an alternative to killing civilians and can't prove they're not a lier. Nice.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

That's literally war. Become a general/propose a way to kill /apprehend people that look like civilians while hiding in civilian places

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think Hamas is hiding inside your house. What, do people think Hamas wouldn't hide inside your house?

[–] [email protected] -4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Do you consider that a good rebuttal. Truly a childish mind. Of course you can't comprehend complex situations

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

"Oh yeah? Well you're a dumb kid who can't think smart thoughts"

Fucking gotem

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Proving me right. Ouch

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Hamas and Hezbollah are not the public of Palestine. So it raises the question if anybody cares. Netanyahu has made it clear to the rest of us he does not.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They look just like the public and fighting from where the public lives. What is Israel to do? Just accept getting massacred.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Does getting massacred justify massacring tenfold? I'm pretty sure the United States emmisaries had this very conversation with the state of Israel.

The thing is, Hamas and Hesbollah see provoking Israel to disproportionate reprisal as a worthwhile gambit. They know Netanyahu is glad to enact genocide justified by retaliation to terror. But now the world will get to watch the horrors of war under Israeli jackboots. And it will be ugly, and the world may have opinions about the Israeli state doing ugly things. The general opinion from the international community is changing. Along with the US' unconditional support of a regional bully.

There are better ways. But Israeli state has rejected all alternatives, and is glad to throw stormtroopers into the mix.

And yes, the people of Israel, by a significant majority don't want an overkill response. They want a path towards peace. But the far right does like us vs. them dynamics to consolidate power. It's the same playbook Trump uses.

I'm not an expert. I don't know how to fix this, but the experts were shown the door, so here we are. 👀

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Well that's war when you have superior firepower you're gonna get more kills.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

When Israel massacres civilians and massacres disproportionately, it then loses the peace. It also reveals its administration is too immature to deserve international support. The indiscriminate brutality of the IDF will reflect both on the the legitimacy of Israel and its allies, hence the conditions now added to US materiel support.

I'm very glad you don't have any responsibility in this or any state affair.

[–] funkless_eck 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

ok but if they're hiding in a hospital you dont need to bomb it? or do anything to it? hiding is not hurting anyone.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

For conflicts like this leadership that is planning attacks or otherwise leading forces that are doing attacking, simply existing anywhere outside a prison cell is threatening. Hamas leadership knows that, they're the ones putting hostpitals at risk by being there.

[–] funkless_eck 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

right, but my point is, however inconvenient it is, we always have a choice not to bomb hospitals. People take human shields, you don't have to shoot through the human shields.

Do I have all the answers? No, but people go to school for war. Surely this has come up before at some point in the last 20,000 years?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

You certainly should do your best to not shoot through human shields, agreed. But can it still sometimes be better to shoot through human shields if that's what it takes to get very dangerous people vs letting them escape and threaten again later? I don't know, it's a hard question.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

hiding is not hurting anyone.

The assholes in the hospital are still shooting at the assholes outside the hospital. Though I still agree the assholes outside shouldn't be bombing it just to get at the assholes inside.

[–] funkless_eck 1 points 9 months ago

we saw this in Bosnia and Rwanda, too. This is similar to Bosnia/Serbia/Yugoslavia in a lot of way (especially the siege of Saraievo).

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

Depends. Are they artillery spotters. Are they leadership trying to claim to be in a safe you can't tag me zone. Did they just momentarily hide their guns too. Ya gotta secure that shit one way or another otherwise you'll get another massacre.

There are no good answers