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Calls for defederation - Is the idea of the open marketplace of ideas outdated? (self.controversial)

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Lately I see a lot of calls do have specific instances defederated for a particular subset of reasons:

Don't like their content
Dont like their political leaning
Dont like their free speech approach
General feeling of being offended
I want a safe space!
This instance if hurting vulnerable people

I personally find each and every one of these arguments invalid. Everybody has the right to live in an echo chamber, but mandating it for everyone else is something that goes a bit too far.

Has humanity really developed into a situation where words and thoughts are more hurtful than sticks and stones?

Edit: Original context https://slrpnk.net/post/554148

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[–] CowsLookLikeMaps 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

All very good points. I also want to explicitly state that freedom of speech typically ends when it's causing harm. It sucks having to listen to Nazi propaganda but as soon as they start inciting violence or discrimination (which for them is pretty quick), they can no longer claim freedom of speech. That's not to say we should preemptively ban communities. Just something to be aware of, so we can figure out the line where preventing direct harm is prioritized over being able to say whatever you want.

[–] dnick 3 points 2 years ago

It also ends when you force me to pass along the message.

On a public forum it's unconstitutional for the government to give a platform to one group and not another (within reason).

For a private individual, it's not 'anti freedom of speech' if I refuse to let you use my copier to print your posters and expect me to go around sticking them up in my neighborhood, whether that's hate speech or your grandma's cookie recipe, you can't force or guilt me into helping you publish content. You can still publish it, but if you want me to use my bandwidth or printer ink or even room on my pegboard you have too ask nicely and accept no for an answer, and you don't get to cry ’freedom of speech' and expect any reasonable person to accept that as an argument.