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  • Hamas-run government says Israeli strikes on Jabalia refugee camp in Gaza killed at least 195 Palestinians, with concerns raised by the UN that these could constitute war crimes.
  • Evacuation of foreign nationals from Gaza is underway, with 320 already crossed into Egypt; about 7,500 are expected to leave within two weeks.
  • The strikes targeted Hamas military leaders and infrastructure, with Israel’s campaign responding to Hamas' cross-border attacks from Oct. 7.
  • U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken is set to visit Israel and Jordan to discuss the conflict and the need to minimize civilian casualties.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Actual Reuters headline:

Hamas says Israel's strikes on refugee camp kill more than 195 people

OP’s headline :

Gaza says Israel's strikes on refugee camp kill more than 195 people

[–] [email protected] 64 points 10 months ago

URL says Gaza, Reuters changed the headline after it was posted.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 10 months ago (3 children)

No editorializing from me. Reuters changed the title after I submitted the post. You can see it cached by Photon here:

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (33 children)

I don't see a problem here. I trust their numbers. They have released lists with all the people killed by Israel before and parts of those lists were confirmed by relatives living abroad. "Hamas-run X,Y,Z" is just a cheap way of trying to delegitimize palestinian deaths.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Gaza's Hamas-run media office

Its weird seeing both Hamas and non-Hamas government related bodies. Kind of confusing juggling Gaza without Hamas, Gaza with Hamas, and Hamas's militant wing specifically.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Hamas is the defacto government of Palestine for close to ten years now. It's hard to untangle because they are genuinely intertwined. There isn't a significant difference between "government of Gaza" and "Hamas".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

There's more to Palestine than Gaza, so while your 3rd sentence is very much true and more central to the issue at hand, the first one is quite incorrect and might lead people to forget about Abbas/Fatah.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Hamas is literally the elected government of Palestine. They are the authority in Gaza that releases these numbers.

Correction: Hamas is the government body of Gaza, not of all Palestine, which includes the West Bank.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Hamas is literally the elected government of Palestine.

Hamas is the government of Gaza, not all of Palestine. Palestine also includes the west bank which is under Fatah/PA leadership, they lost a civil war to Hamas in Gaza after Hamas was elected there. They haven't held another election since.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thank you for the correction, I have edited accordingly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You could also correct the part about them being voted in. They had around 40% of the votes in a multiparty election, kicked out their opposers and took over. The current population of Gaza is 50% under 18, most people don't live beyond 65 due to low life expectancy, and that last election was 16 years ago. They were not democratically elected and the majortiy of Gazans haven't voted for them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's how voting works literally everywhere. If you count the people that don't or can't vote, American Presidents are elected by like twenty percent of the population, and the winner doesn't even have to get a majority of the actual votes.

The statement that they were voted in is a true statement, so I see no reason to correct it because you don't like that fact.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They won seats but never formed a proper government. Sure it's a true statement if you want to be pedantic but it's missing the relevant context. It's not a nice and decent election in a normal and nice environment (thanks to Israel).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

True, but it’s not like that election wasn’t ripe with controversy around its legitimacy. At the very least there was notable voter intimidation being practiced by a militarized group.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

I'm certainly not endorsing the Hamas leadership of Gaza or their legitimacy, but the fact remains that there isn't a real distinction between "Gaza leaders" and "Hamas" at this point.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thag sucks. But maybe it's Reuters changing their headlines?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You're right. Reuters changed it after this was posted.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So we are suppose to trust them equally as with that hospital attack.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Hamas never made that claim.

It was a doctor being interviewed by al-jazeera. Even then it was a mis-translation of what he said that western media just ran with and never fact checked.

Please stop spreading misinformation to serve as a way to delegitimize one side. There are plenty of REAL facts you can use.