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Calls for defederation - Is the idea of the open marketplace of ideas outdated? (self.controversial)

submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by Hastur to c/controversial

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Lately I see a lot of calls do have specific instances defederated for a particular subset of reasons:

Don't like their content
Dont like their political leaning
Dont like their free speech approach
General feeling of being offended
I want a safe space!
This instance if hurting vulnerable people

I personally find each and every one of these arguments invalid. Everybody has the right to live in an echo chamber, but mandating it for everyone else is something that goes a bit too far.

Has humanity really developed into a situation where words and thoughts are more hurtful than sticks and stones?

Edit: Original context https://slrpnk.net/post/554148

Controversial topic, feel free to discuss!

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[–] clausetrophobic 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I just wanted to say, I love how we can see the beauty of Lemmy in-action here.

Seeing both the upvotes & the downvotes, and all the suggestions of going to a different instance.. it's honestly a beautiful thing, and it's like watching a small snippet of how human society works.

"I don't like the way this instance works"

"Go somewhere else then"

"But I don't want to/I don't feel like it's fair"

"But we do like the way it works"

Humans have truly never changed, and it's a privelage to watch this play out in such a format.

[–] dnick 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Exactly, it's like the argument is that letting people do what they want with their own resources and time somehow infringes on someone else's rights. It's almost exactly the entitlement they say they want to fight against.

If I buy a bullhorn, I'm not infringing on your rights by not letting you borrow it if you can literally go buy your own bullhorn. If you do buy your own bullhorn it's not infringing on your rights if people tend to leave the area you're blabbing in and gravitate towards someone else, or if they put up sound proof walls to hide behind. It's not infringing on your rights if I don't give you equal time on a stage I spent my own time and money setting up.

[–] clausetrophobic 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Love this analogy haha!