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This is the mantra of lemmy.ml.
Tell us, how are russian and chinese cops?
Russian and Chinese authoritarianism is bad. America incarcerates more people than both. A French cop shooting a 17 year old during a traffic stop is probably also not a useful use of state force. I could be wrong, but I hope this answers your question.
Let him answer, he is a 7 hours old account who is shouting "all cops are bad" at the young people. I want his version.
As much as I plan on following suit, I think this kind of petty commenting can stay on reddit.
I challenge you to explain why.
I don't quite get the relevency of your question if your issue is with all cops be bad. I mean yes. Chinese and russian cops would be some of the worst examples. Thats not going to lend credence against the statement. I would think something along the lines about naming a cop who has done something heoric recently in the news and asking if they are bad. I realize this is sorta meta but it sounds like you hate the statement with the thread convo but then the question you originally posed does not really challenge the statement.
There is a very high chance that this kind of calls to ACAB are coming from lemmy people, who have been spoonfed the tankies ideology for some time now, specially if it's a very fresh account. We are a new territory to take for them.
I still think you challenge question could have been better. Its a bit ironic that you think the all cops are bad comment is bad based on the idea that all lemmy people are bad. At least, thats what it kinda sounds like. I mean I chose kbin over lemmy but im not like a kbinocentrist.
iTs A fReSh AcUnT
Yes, your two week old account is fresh.
So what, address the merit of the argument not the assumed background of the messenger.
No, in this case the messenger is the point. There is a motive behind the message.
btw he did answer:
As opposed to your oh-so-ancient two week old account? Fuck off.
Bastards. I think he was clear. Even Russian and Chinese cops.
I've seen this message by the dozen on lemmy, kbin is not some kind of immune territory. They will jump at every opportunity to spread their ideology here.
And no, not all cops are bad. France is not the USA.
And yet here you have a French cop going full 'Murica on a teen during a traffic stop because he may have felt threatened. A bastard is a bastard, no matter the country of origin. Doubly so when they weild the power to enforce the will of the state, because they abuse that power as seen here.
Also, your whataboutism with Chinese or Russian cops is asinine, because worse cops elsewhere doesn't excuse shitty cops in "better" countries.
Like it or not France is not the USA. I know many people enjoy this narrative but it's simply false. No, all cops are not bad. "Radio Moscow" needs to shut up.
RT.com was specialized into filming the protests in France. Have you ever seen RT reporting on violences in Russia? RT was forbidden to operate in the EU.
What, you think that Uncle Putin just stopped operating in the french media? Are you naive?? It's the job of Russia to push this narrative, they had employees which it was the job for years. When you sing the ACAB song you are following their lead.
You cannot just come to kbin, sing the ACAB song and go unchecked, this is not lemmy here.
I'm sure the teens parent takes immense solace knowing that the French cops who murdered their son aren't American cops.
Policing as an industry is bad, and the people who participate in it willingly are bad due to supporting the system that won't only destroys and ends lives. That's not propaganda, that's reading the news and coming to a simple conclusion. I'm not even going to respond to your RT non-sequitur.
LOL, amazing you have the gall to accuse others of falling for propaganda while also attributing the ACAB sentiment to Russian propaganda instead of people watching the damned news. Or is this civilian video also Russian propaganda? Are the propagandists under your bed right now???
Goddamn, I thought we left the authoritarian bootlickers on Lemmy/reddit.
Read the news or open a damned history book friend....
Yes the propaganda machine is in force. Realizing that, this kid must not really be dead, right? After all, the cops aren’t bastards and would not hold a gun point blank to a drivers face and then shoot, right?
in France, 746 deaths by police, including car accidents, in the span of 44 years.
For information so far in the USA and for the year 2023 the police have killed 527 people. So roughly by the end of the year the US police will have killed more than the French police in 44 years. I let you adjust by population etc...
France is not the USA.
Do not project the American problems into Europe.
No, "the cops aren't bastards". That's my only point, I made no other, specially about the events, only the claim about the cops made by tenet, an anarchist probably. For the rest about how things happened it's up to the justice to do the job.
France is not the USA and no, all cops are not bad. It's not the first time that we see people trying to import foreign problems into Europe, it's probably not the last...
You don't have the excuse of "reddit is an american" site anymore. Think global, it's not always about the USA.
Can I say "fuck the police" and stay?
Would that be alright?
Under what circumstances would you assent to my expressing displeasure at armed gang members stealing from the populace and committing murder in defense of an oppressive class system?
Can I say, "the pigs can kick rocks!" or is that still too spicy for you?
I'm glad that we had this discussion, really. Now we know better who stands where.
I told you hours ago, let him answer himself:
He did not disappoint. This is the kind of person who spent too much time getting hyped up on lemmy and who is released on kbin.
I've seen cops doing most of the shit you've seen American cops do on the internet, in real life, in Europe. Haven't seen any shoot out but that's because they don't need to, no one here has a gun. But recording cops is illegal over here, in other places you only can record them if they are engaging you and you can't share the clip. The situation may be a bit worse over there because with so many guns perhaps the cops are more wary, but you see so many videos because their freedom of speech is more protected than ours.
Russia and China are not the only ones with very well oiled propaganda machines
My brother in christ, this is a federated platform. You don't have a "here" unless you're going to silo yourself off like Beehaw did. If you want to interact with the rest of the internet you're going to have to accept that you don't get to control what opinions other people have and express.
I'm French. Just because France is not as bad as the US doesn't mean we don't have a problem. The USA is the lowest bar possible.
Though it did not start with him, Macron's anti-protest strategy, both with the Gilets Jaunes and ongoing with the retirement protests, is to basically let the police do whatever they want, and then ignore or minimize all police violence, especially via the media currently controlled by French billionaires and thus very pro-government.
Just for the Gilets Jaunes, there were some deaths sure, but also hundreds of head trauma and mutilations. The violence was condemned by Amnesty International, the UN, and the European Council.
It's actually quite exceptional that, for once, the government is condemning this killing. Probably because it wasn't related to any anti-government protest.
They are not used to potentially facing consequences:
https://www.reddit.com/r/france/comments/14lai5r/communiqu%C3%A9_du_syndicat_alliance_suite_aux_propos/
"Policemen also have the right to be presumed innocent. [...] The president's remarks violate the separation of powers by condemning our colleagues before justice is decided. His first responsibility should be to calm things down, to condemn urban violence, and to not pass laws while affected by emotion.
[The police union] strongly condemns these remarks and completely supports our colleagues wounded during last night."
Another police union response to this murder:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzqgmasXsAAbo0G?format=jpg&name=medium
"Congratulations to the colleagues who fired on a young 17yo criminal. By stopping his vehicle, they protected their lives and those of the other road users. The only ones guilty for the death of this thug are his parents who weren't fit to educate their son."
ACAB
It's more of an anarchist thing, to be fair.
They're bastards, obv. Like it says in the OP.
Did I fucking stutter, loser?