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Marxism advocate violent revolution, and if Russians do indeed support communism. Why haven't the Russians overthrown Putin yet? If they have done so with the tsar, why haven't they done with Putin? Why haven't the Russians supported the coup against Gorbachev to retain the Soviet Union if they are indeed supportive? How would you address the Soviet Union having had the most prisoners per capita, while it took the United States decades longer to attain similar rate? If it is better in communist states, why are we not seeing people moving to communist countries en masse? Why have we seen more East Germans risked getting shot escaping the Berlin Wall, than West Germans crossing to the east? Why do you think we see more Cubans trek the sea perilously across the Caribbean to leave Cuba than people going to? What do you make of people arrested in the Soviet Union for arbitrary reason? If you are what you claim to be, have you actually heard what they say or do you deliberately ignore them? There should be plenty of Russians still alive to tell their experience being imprisoned for making jokes or simply having farms who you could talk to, no? Do their experience matter to you? If communism is better in Russia, why has it fallen?
No, Marxism does not advocate violent revolution. I've explained this to you earlier, but due to poor reading comprehension you're still repeating falsehoods here. What Marxism says is that the conditions that capitalism creates ultimately lead to revolutions.
Because conditions aren't right. Again, if you weren't an ignoramus, and actually read about history of revolutions, you'd understand when and why they happen. You can start by reading this book from Ray Dalio who is a very successful capitalist, so can't be accused of being a Marxist.
They did, and I linked you a book discussing this in detail in the comment you're replying to. You obviously didn't read the linked source because you are just a troll and aren't actually interested in answers to the questions you ask in bad faith.
To sum up, you don't actually care about answers to the questions you're asking. You are here to troll and that's just pathetic to be honest.
Muscovites stopped the communist hardliners from overthrowing Gorbachev and backed Yeltsin's support of Gorbachev. Wouldn't you say that this is essentially stating that the Russians do not support communism?
If the standard of living in Soviet Union is better than today and communism is better overall, shouldn't that push Russians to overthrow the current Putin government? Why did communism fall in your opinion?
How come you haven't addressed my questions about prisoners in the Soviet Union and of their experiences? How come you are giving me questions as answers, to my query as to why East Germans tend to risk their lives crossing to West Berlin and more Cubans are attempting to leave than Westerners risking their lives to come in to communist states?
thanks for once again confirming that you can't read
Will you answer my questions or not? Why did more people risk their lives to leave Cuba and East Germany than the other way? Why hasn't the Russians revolted against Putin despite the excesses of his government? He has high approval rating of 80%. Wouldn't you say that the Russians actually support him and the system he upholds more than the communism? Wouldn't you say there is reason as to why communism fell, and now Russians appear to be more supportive of the current status quo?
Libertarians support unregulated free market because they benefit from rising stocks and worker exploitation. Are you a communist because you are jobless and on welfare? Considering how quick you reply with pre-packaged gish gallop comments, perhaps you do not work at all or ever at all? Or do you extort farmers and such? Do you benefit from communism in one way or another? Did you just admit that atrocities in communism is okay, since capitalism does it anyway? Do you believe that two wrongs make a right? Do you relish in power or getting free stuff from communism to have become its supporter?
I've tried answering your questions, and it's pretty clear that you just ignore what I say and keep repeating the same thing over and over. You're just a troll, and I'm not going to waste more time feeding you. If you're genuinely interested, then go and read all the materials and resources I provided you above. Of course, you're not going to do that because you're just here to troll. I do feel sorry for you, hope you get the help you need one day.
No you haven't. Do you, or do you not approve of mass arrest under the Soviet Union? Did you speak to anyone arrested by Soviet secret police before? Are you a welfare benefit receiver? Do you have a job to keep you busy enough? Is this why you are a communist?
All your questions are answered, all you have to do is work on your reading comprehension.
Bye.
Anyone with half a brain and could read elementary level will see that you have not answered all my question.
We both admit that the West is flawed. However, just a yes or no. Do you acknowledge that USSR has wrongfully imprisoned and created atrocities that is just as morally bad?
I've literally answered this question in detail in several replies. Please work on your reading comprehension.
Just answer the questions with yes or no that's what I am asking of you. Do you approve of Soviet mass imprisonment and purges that happened? Have you spoken to those who were imprisoned? Are you jobless and on welfare?
I already answered this question. Why don't you answer this question, if you have two imperfect systems and one results in less suffering than the other which system is better?
A rational person would choose the less imperfect system. So, by asking me this question, does this mean you acknowledge and approve the arbitrary imprisonment of Soviet citizens by the government? Are you implying that that is better?
You also did not answer other questions though. If you think the communist system is better, why did it fall? Why do people risked getting shot crossing the Berlin Wall from the east, and Cubans crossing the Carribean, than the other way around? If life is better in communist system, why did so many emigrate despite guaranteed and free basic necessities provided? Do you just want to get free stuff to wilfully turn a blind eye to state repression? Have you spoken to former detainees? Do you have a job?
Except there wasn't any arbitrary imprisonment. That's just something you pulled out of your ass and keep repeating. Just like in any system, some people ended up being detained wrongly. It's on you to show proof that more people were systemically than under other systems. It certainly appears that US wrongly detains far more people than USSR ever has.
Plenty of capitalist regimes fall all the time. Using your logic that's sufficient reason to abandon it yes?
Why did vast majority of people not do this?
They didn't, very tiny percentage of people leave communist systems, and it's never to get basic necessities. I guess we've already established that you don't even understand basic concepts like per capita.
No this is just an idiotic thing you keep repeating because you think it's a really clever gotcha. You're clearly ok turning a blind eye to repression under capitalism though since it's the system you keep defending here.
Have you spoken to former detainees under your capitalist regime?
I do, and I almost certainly make more than your dumb ass.