Not gonna lie. The last point got me. I just filter out gaza, Israel and Palestine now. There is no way for me to get non biased info about the history of the issue online.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Guilty of Killing civilians: Hamas, Israeli government.

Guilty of Genocide: Israeli government

People who don't deserve to get killed: Palestine civilians, Israeli civilians.

People who have claims to the land: both Palestine civilians and Israeli civilians (sorry the situation is fucked).

Fascist and helping each other gain power: Hamas, Netanyahu

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hamas is also guilty of genocide...

[–] Barbarian 32 points 10 months ago

Eh, more like they would commit genocide if they could. They'd happily and gleefully murder every Jew in Israel, but they don't have the military strength to do it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Thank you for the context

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Probably, the best summary of this situation. May I steal this and use it when arguing with tankies and right wingers?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Thanks, you may! Best of luck plucking the brain worms out of others.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Israel is a colony invented by Western powers that at its creation committed a massive genocide against Palestinians to steal their land (see: the Nakba). Since then, Israel has consistently maintained a policy of ethnic cleansing to steal more Palestinian land by settling new areas, expelling the indigenous Palestinians, and only incorporating them into Israel once it meets demographic criteria.

The UN has called what Israel is doing apartheid, and fun fact when apartheid was a less bad word Israel knew it too -- it was one of the closest allies with apartheid South Africa and they closely collaborated especially militarily on suppressing their respective indigenous liberation movements.

And by the way, Israel helped create Hamas as a way to undermine secular Palestinian resistance .

The current state of affairs is that millions of Palestinians are displaced from Palestine altogether, and millions more remain but cannot return to their homes in the occupied territories. Gaza is the world's largest concentration camp with 2 million people trapped inside, half of them under the age of 18, with no ability to leave. Israel has regularly bombed hospitals, schools, mosques, and other humanitarian sites, is not allowing humanitarian aid in, and in the most recent escalations has shut off access to food and water.

These are children resisting a multi billion dollar nuclear military from stealing their home, there is no balanced two sides to this story

https://www.statista.com/chart/16516/israeli-palestinian-casualties-by-in-gaza-and-the-west-bank/

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ah thanks. It's more fucked up than I thought...which is sad as hell. And from my 'not paying attention' understanding, Western governments are supporting this shit? Something something US sending aid to Israel? Something something France not allowing pro Palestine riots? That's when I tuned out, because I thought I must have really not understood the situation. But if that stuff is also true, shit is stomach curdlingly bleak.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Western governments put that shit in place.