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[–] Gorilladrums 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's no nuance to antisemitism. You either are or aren't. The thing is that a lot of antisemites understand that their views, at least in the West aren't welcomed, and so they hide behind alternatives to push their hatred.

In the past few days we've had instances like:

Drawing stars on the homes of Jewish people in Berlin

Jewish schools were forced to close due to harassment and violence in London

Swastikas were being drawn by pro Palestinian crowd at a university in Maine

A Kosher restaurant was vandalized by Hamas supporters in London

There's has been an increased usage of a site that maps all the Jewish people and institutions in Massachusetts that has been used to intimidate and harass Jews

Stanford professor targeted Jewish students and forced them to stand in a corner for the entire class

Several arrests had to be made in London because Hamas supporters literally wore pictures of the terrorists on the paragliders where they tried portraying them as heroes.

Jewish people in Germany are too scared to leave their home or wear Jewish simples because they'll get attacked or harassed

Antisemitism in France has risen so much the past few days that Macron is deploying 7000 soldiers to protect Jews

This is a very small sample of antisemitic instances. These aren't instance of criticizing Israel or Zionism as ideology or Netenyahu or even Judaism as a religion. This is literally straight anti-Jewish hatred.

Maybe, just maybe, the pro-Palestinian/anti-Israeli crowd DOES have actual antisemies who just found another convenient excuse to spread their hate. How can you possibly and deny this is happening when the evidence is right there? You speak of nuance, but fail to see it when it's in front you.

But I'm sure you know there a lot of groups and individuals who are exploiting the conflict to push their vile views against Jews, you just don't care.

[–] prole 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nobody cares that you can find racist pieces of shit all over the internet. We all know about these people already. The problem comes when any criticism of the Israeli GOVERNMENT, no matter how valid, is responded to with claims of anti-semitism.

[–] Gorilladrums 1 points 1 year ago

You're missing the point you absolute idiot. These racist fucks aren't a bunch of bad apples and they aren't a small minority, they are at the very least a significant minority if not an outright majority. The problem here is that they use as "it's not antisemtism, it's achkually anti-zionism"a shield to outright be antisemtic.

The examples that I showed you are extremely common, in fact they are so common and so widespread that they're forcing dozens of national government to acts in order to save their Jewish communities. Do you even begin to grasp just how deep rooted this type of behavior is? Every single example that I posted came from the same week and from the same exact google search. Did you notice a theme though? None of them were done by lone wolves and none of them were criticisms of Israel. They were ALL disgusting acts of hate. They straight up targeted and attacked Jews because they were Jews.

...yet you defend them. Every time some muslim or marxist or nazi goes on an antisemitic rampage, you rush in to enable them with this excuse. That's why these rats feel so comfortable going out and showing their true colors. They know they will be shielded. They know that no matter what they do or hateful they get, they will always have a mob of brainwashed morons with propaganda shoved so far up their ass that they will do anything to justify that Israel is evil, even if it comes at the cost of supporting genuine antisemtism.

The thing is that nobody, and I mean NOBODY has a problem with people criticizing the Israeli government. Nobody is defending Netanyahu or Likud or whatever. You're free to criticize them and a lot of people do... that's why this idea that any criticism of the Israeli government gets labeled as antisemitism is entirely bullshit. It is only ever used by actual antisemites to defend their antisemitism. You can deny it all you want but that's the reality. Every single example that I was defending as anti-zionism. Are you going go full mask and say that is the case too?