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Hey! Thanks to the whole Reddit mess, I’ve discovered the fediverse and its increidible wonders and I’m lovin’ it :D

I’ve seen another post about karma, and after reading the comments, I can see there is a strong opinion against it (which I do share). I’d love to hear your opinions, what other method/s would you guys implement? If any ofc

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What we have right now in Lemmy strikes the current balance IMO. Individual comments are upvoted/downvoted. But no cumulative score.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

which is the right thing, judge the opinion not the person

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

There is that aspect of karma of "if you've got negative karma, you're probably intolerable" but I'm not sure how much that helps in practice vs just banning people. Karma can also filter out fresh accounts for high spam communities, ofc, that doesn't work perfectly either...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Karma farming has always been one of the worst aspects of the other place. Repost bots will sustain them long after the humans are all gone.

Throwaways are still an issue with banning.

Some kind of participation based scoring would just bring us back to farming and alienates lurkers.

Account age is unreliable.

Hmm.. I hate leaving the burden on mods but karma has too many negatives.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

This wouldn't work in the fediverse anyway, as it'd even easier to fake your user karma here (on an own instance).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago
[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

I agree 90%, downvotes shouldn't have that much weight. That said, comments which are abusive or hateful probably should have long term consequences for the user, even if they are themselves not worthy of a ban. Maybe reputation can be a "strike" for number of reported comments.

To be clear, here I'm thinking of "dogwhistle" comments which individually are plausibly fine, but in aggregate indicate this person is up to no good.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I would almost say a better system would obscure usernames completely. Only show the comment text, and allow voting accordingly.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

No, we need people to have some accountability or everyone's just gonna be intolerable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Federation already makes that completely impossible.

I don’t agree with the lack of usernames of course. There’s no community when there is no way to associate posts with individuals.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's not impossible. Each user is still tied to an instance, they still have usernames, etc.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

But an individual can be any user on any instance. Even one of their own creation.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The problem is Lemmy already can't allow that. Every user is Multiple Man. If you ban or block me on one instance I can just come back from another instance. What's more, I can just keep creating more and more instances to evade blocking or banning infinitely.

My point is simply that votes on comments should reflect merit on the actual comment, not because you recognize the posters username and dont like them so you downvote them regardless of what they say.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

basically 4chan but with extra steps 🤔

[–] p6n 1 points 2 years ago

this makes me think of 4chan and i don t think this should be that kind of community