cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/6853944
Context is the attack and rape on Rave attendees by Hamas forces
this post was submitted on 11 Oct 2023
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"Settlers aren't civilians."
Like, my God, how fucking messed up do you have to be to believe that about an entire country of people, many of which committed only the crime of being born there? Tankie apologia for Hamas is every bit as vile as the hardline ethnonationalists in Israel.
I think you might be confusing "settlers" (people who decided to live in a place) with "settlers" (people who decided to live in a place where other people used to live before the government rolled in with bulldozers, destroyed their homes, and displaced them).
No. I'm really not. They're using 'Settlers' to mean all non-Arabs in Israel..
They probably are, considering the context. Attacking a music festival is far away from attacking a place where the Israeli government bulldozed Palestinian homes so that hard line Israeli citizens could take it over; why bring up "settlers aren't civilians"?
While I don't at all condone indiscriminate attacks against innocent people, I can also sympathize with the frustration when Western foreign powers say "Here, go set up your ethnostate on this piece of land which we don't really have the authority to give you, and where people already live. Oh, and if those people already didn't like you, they're going to really not like you now. You're going to treat them as second class non-citizens? Sure, we'll look the other way. By the way, this land is not only really important to your religion, it's also really important to two other major world religions, and none of you like each other very much at all. What could go wrong?"
Russia is invading Ukraine, and it is undoubtedly right to be on the side of Ukraine working to eject them. The state of Israel just appeared one day, and has been pushing and shoving Palestinians ever since. Killing innocent people, parading prisoners through the streets - that's not the way to fight back. But I cannot fault Palestinians for wanting to fight.
Man, I'm not pro-Israel. I'm not even pro-Palestinian pacifism. I've gotten accused of antisemitism numerous times in the past because of my vitriol against the state of Israel and its apartheid regime.
In any case, Hamas are a bunch of shitheads, and this attack was just another data point on it. Collateral damage I understand - but there's no excuse for targeting random civilians. Of course, Hamas doubtlessly knew it would escalate things - how better to continue the conflict which keeps them so entrenched? And of course, what a boon to the Israeli far-right it is as well.
What a shitshow.
if anything, Hamas has done us the favor of NOT considering their side with these warcrimes. Palestine/Gaza needs to find new leadership, these fucks saw the warcrimes in Ukraine by russia and said "ooh let's try that, it'll win friends!"
the only friends they're winning over are Iran and Russia.
Fuckwits.
All apologies if it sounded like I was painting you as something you weren't. That was not at all my intention. It sounds like we're both on pretty much the same page. Shitshow, indeed.