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A set of merge requests were opened that would effectively drop X.Org (X11) session support for the GNOME desktop and once that code is removed making it a Wayland-only desktop environment.

Going along with Fedora 40 looking to disable the GNOME X11 session support (and also making KDE Plasma 6 Wayland-only for Fedora), upstream GNOME is evaluating the prospect of disabling and then removing their X11 session support.

Some concerns were raised already how this could impact downstream desktops like Budgie and Pantheon that haven't yet fully transitioned over to Wayland. In any event we'll see where the discussions lead but it's sure looking like 2024 will be the year that GNOME goes Wayland-only.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 10 months ago (19 children)

What's everyone's Wayland showstopper?

I'm holding out for better autoclickers/macro recorders before I go to Wayland

[–] [email protected] 36 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Better Wine support. It's coming soon, but I prefer xorg until Wine properly supports Wayland.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

is XWayland not good enough for that?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I would say Xwayland is good ENOUGH, but it's not great, my clipboard with xwayland is awful on sway, for example. It works, but not the best.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

ah, on Gnome it's relatively seamless

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I recently stopped switching to x11 for gaming. With most games, the performance is 5-10fps better on Wayland

[–] taladar 20 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Honestly, Wayland just doesn't give the impression of working well enough with everything to replace my window manager and all kinds of utilities that grew around it (or X11 in general) for a decade or two just to only notice after using it for a few weeks that it won't work with some things. It demands a huge time investment up front for questionable gain basically.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (11 children)

As a multimonitor user with mixed properties, and an AMD user, Wayland has been nothing but a massive gain for me and continues to get better in equally massive strides on KDE (been using kwin-wayland for almost a full year as a daily driver now). It even improved the user experience on my surface pro that I'm running the surface-linux kernel on.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (5 children)

The time-investment is short-term pain, long-term profit. That's kinda our thing as Linux guys

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Mine's mostly just bad electron app support for native Wayland. In theory Electron now offers full Wayland support but hooooo boy is it going to be a while until all of the electron garbage I use finally updates to a new enough version for proper support.

The other gotcha is just general client side decorations support for apps in general. I'm shocked that no one has built a small libadwaita wrapper library that implements client side decorations for apps. It's going to be ages until app developers all implement their own (crummy) CSD that doesn't match system themes at all.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You can still use XWayland though, it's not going anywhere. They are only removing the ability to run a X11-only session.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Yeah, fair - they're not so much showstoppers as persistent irritations.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I play Heroes of the Storm through Lutris.
I have a superultrawide 32:9 monitor.
In X11, I can get HotS to scale past its normal limits just like I could in windows and take up a full 5120x1440 resolution.
In Wayland, I can't.
I will die on this hill.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (8 children)

thy gamescope(that run on steam deck) i think it can scale, if yes, so it's an implementation issue, that need to be fixed by the compositor

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] winterayars 2 points 10 months ago

This is probably the blocker for me, too. There are some other things but this one just feels amateur.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Autotype for password managers. I don't only have passwords which I use in my browser for which the plugin is fine. But other apps require autotype. And copy & paste can't be the solution for this missing feature.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Wayland is my daily driver. The only thing that annoys me is that screen-sharing on Signal Desktop doesn't work. But that is rather the fault of Signal, making the stupid decision of supporting a deprecated Ubuntu version instead of supporting Wayland fully

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

For me personally, none. Until around 2 years ago, it was Nvidia, for Kwin usage on desktop, but before that, I was happily using Wayland sessions and WMs on my laptops for some years

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

I use my laptop for work presentations and running a presentation with embedded videos doesn't work on external displays.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

SteamVR doesn't work on GNOME Wayland because it's missing DRM (the thing that's needed to use the display of the VR headset)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Probably never gonna happen, given how Wayland is designed.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's never going to happen on Wayland level. It's absolutely no problem to implement this on a compositor level.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

or even lower level, they don't want people running keyloggers without admin permissions

[–] skulkingaround 1 points 10 months ago

Actually libEI allows for exactly this. It's very new so not widely supported yet but it'll definitely get there eventually.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

For whatever reason it can't seem to suspend my thinkpad. Everything crashes and when I open the lid I have to log in again :/

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Is that a Wayland issue? Lots of modern laptops have suspend issues (broken S0ix sleep, missing S3, bios declaring wrong states, etc)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I found no Remote Desktop solution to be working well together with wayland. (I’m not quite sure, if wayland was the cause of the issues I had with RDP and VNC, have to test that). The proprietary Remote Desktop all show a warning that wayland is not supported. While TeamViewer does kinda work, despite the warning, it is not a very sable connection.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

ironically this is what x11 was originally built for.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't know if this would work for whatever your remote desktop needs are specifically, but I use Sunshine and it works really well.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

i tried rhis autoclicker https://github.com/konkitoman/autoclicker and worked flawless(just needed ticker the suders file because cargo install on .local/bin), but if someone could suggest a macro recorder i appreciate!

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