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Meat and sauces on flatbread are not what makes a pizza.
Several food historians agree with him. People that don't agree with him are regular Italians.
Italians never invented pasta or dried pasta either.
Modern pasta was invented in Sicily after the Arab conquest. They brought noodles from China and showed them the method of drying the noodles. Sicily would later become the Kingdom of Sicily in 1130 and pasta would first be developed with wheat there in 1154.
“His remarks were met with a significant amount of criticism and protests by historians, politicians, the Italian media, Italian chefs, food critics, as well as food professionals.”
I believe these claims as much as I believe that the someone named Ignacio in the 50s was the first person ever to put meat and cheese on topped of chopped up fried tostadas.
The pasta thing, fine. I've heard of the origin as China as well. So Italians started making pasta 900 years ago. That's way more believable than that any really obvious food was created 60 years ago.
Okay, what is it you think constitutes a pizza? The article you lined mentions 'the sauce', though that seems far-fetched that nobody had put tomato sauce and cheese on flatbread before. That isn't mandatory for pizza, though. White sauces and garlic sauces are also often used to make a pizza.
You are aware that the tomato is a fairly recent import to Europe, right?
Yes, I am aware that they came from North America. It was in the mid-1500s, which I consider quite a while ago, and prior to that, they made olive oil or cream based sauces.
It took Italy 300 years to make a tomato sauce to pair with pasta.
There is no historical evidence of pizza in Italy until after it was created in the US.