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Pretty much every pair of Sketchers shoes now has memory foam soles and everyone seems to think they are great but I hate them.

They are really hot, the foam is like a layer of insulation.

The top of the memory foam soles is somewhat elastic so it's really smooth and slippery so your socks slide around inside

They are no more comfortable than regular shoes and in fact I think they provide less arch support since they are squishy compared to shoes with harder foam.

And most of all the memory foam gets smashed and wears out in no time with some shoes having the foam glued in so replacing the insole is impossible.

I just can't fathom how they are so popular.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Foam I agree that is a bad idea.

Arch support? Yeah you might want to do a little more research.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Every foot is different, and for some, like those who experience a lot of supination or high arches, arch support is likely the best way to go.

But there does seem to be a growing body of evidence that modern shoe design seems to promote weak arch muscles, and thus lead to pronation and flat arches, where as shoes with zero drop and no arch support, if transitioned to slowly, will eventually build up those muscles and no longer require support. I think there's also a strong case to be made in favor of shoes with a large toebox that doesn't squeeze the toes together.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Not sure I agree on the high arch needing support, but thanks for putting it more eloquently. A large toe box is definitely important too for walking more naturally.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Happy to be provided some. I got told I needed arch support after I'd been fairly inactive for over a year due to injury. I went barefoot style instead and my feet have never been happier.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's different for everyone my dude. You probably have a naturally flexible flat foot, which tend to do well with little or no arch support. Some people have varus or valgus hindfoot deformities that can damage tendon or ligaments without orthotic bracing.

Soft foam like memory foam tend to not work very well as they're too soft and can actually allow people with deformities to exceed their healthy range of motion.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah if you've got a diagnosed problem that's a different story. But the average foot doesn't need that support.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There's no such thing as the average or normal foot.....the vast majority (around 70%) of people in the United States have been born with or acquired pes planus deformities (flat footed). But in that category you have flexible flat feet, which don't usually require support. And you have rigid pes planus, that do usually require bracing.

You also have to account for age. You for one may not require support right now, but as you age you will acquire arthritis, loss of beneficial range of motion , and probably an excessive range of motion in the medial to lateral plane, allowing for over pronation.

You're claim may be closer to correct if you specified age, weight, and activity level, or specific a foot type.

It is in fact exceedingly rare to see western people who can remain in perfect subtalar neutral while weight bearing, and thus it's fairly rare for people to be active to a late age without sustaining chronic foot and ankle injuries over time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The reason for that might be the fact that we're been cramming our feet into shoes that ruin them and don't allow the muscles to develop.

Also there can't not be an average.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

The reason for that might be the fact that we're been cramming our feet into shoes that ruin them and don't allow the muscles to develop.

What muscles would those be? What beneficial range of motion are we limiting to a degree that shoes inhibit healthy muscle growth?

What about athletes whom do not utilize footwear while they perform or practice? Shouldn't we see this optimum foot with dancers or gymnast?

Also there can't not be an average.

There can be averages for certain age groups.......there is no data for overall average, why would you even compile that?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

just because something works for you does not mean it will work in all cases. that is a bad way to do research. try looking beyond yourself.