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On an unrelated note, suddenly, boomers care about affordable housing for no apparent reason.
For them. Everyone else needs to use their bootstraps.
Bingo!
Suddenly boomers believe in a massive increase to social security taxes to pay for them.
I look forward to watching them die off.
That's a hell of a lot of hate to admit to online.
I'm not saying dude's right (not saying he's wrong, either, mind), but Boomers have been trying to choke out everyone outside of their cohort (and a significant chunk of those in their cohort, for that matter) for decades. The sooner they're out of the way, the sooner the rest of us can start picking up the pieces they've left us.
These people haven't just hated me my entire life for being an atheist, pro LGBT, non racist, but they've actively done everything possible to destroy the world for everyone in it. Zero sympathy from me.
Ageist comments are weirdly popular on lemmy. Why is ageism encouraged when sexism and racism are not?
Disclaimer: These are obviously over generalizations and don't match all individuals.
Because it's not the age people are against, it's the generation. The boomer generation had some of the most prosperous years in American history and wasted them. The general idea is you're supposed to make the world a better place for the people that come next, and they did the opposite. They cut social systems, defunded education, let public transportation die, outsourced everything, and lined their pockets with investments in oil that are killing the planet.
I won't blame someone for being old, but I will judge them by what they did and supported during their life. And as a whole, the boomers have a lot to answer for.
There is a huge subset of boomers that fought and voted for the betterment of society that were completely fucked by the system. Maybe a LITTLE bit of consolation and empathy for them?
It's clearly not all boomers we get it.
Huge? Not greater than 50% then.
Because old people are insufferable and leech off of society while continually making things worse, even well past their expiration date.
Noticed this myself, come here less and less since it's just as toxic as reddit ever was. Think I might be done with it since it's just ragebait crap.
I still everyone thinks that boomer`s houses magically built themself and cost nothing. No interest was payed for the loan and the time there where built money rained from the sky.
Tell me more about how you want every to know that you know nothing about the changes to monetary policy, socio-economic issues, or regulatory change that has happened since the mid-70's.
If you think that, I know you're unfamiliar with the economy and real estate.
They bought them, yes. In fact, they had higher interest rates! My dad's first mortgage in the 80s was at 17%...but the loan was less than 2 years of his salary which made his payments pretty easy. Now I'm expecting to have to pay 5-6x my salary for a similar home.
And to get ahead of some rebuttals: adjusted for inflation, I am making more than he did at the time so it's not that. And the homes I'm looking at are in less desirable neighborhoods than I grew up in so it's not that either.
Furthermore, his parents' generation wasn't hoarding real estate for Airbnb rentals.
Also, there has been a drop in new housing construction since 2008.
There was a massive multigenerational push to build new housing, with government agencies either facilitating new construction with infrastructure or helping to fund its construction.
Do you mean new housing as in individual stand alone houses, or does that also include multi unit apartment buildings?
I only ask because in the old area I used to live in it seemed like they were building new apartments left and right. Meanwhile as far as houses go I would be inclined to agree, as I haven't really noticed any new construction going on. But that's just in the area I live now. It'd be interesting to see nationwide numbers.
Any new housing unit. There has been an increase in multifamily housing, but nowhere near enough to cover for the total drop.
Ah, I gotcha. Thanks for the answer!
if he bought his first home in the 80's then your dad is a really young boomer to. or waited awhile for some reason. anyway there is a different with each generation over the 20 year span. not that it makes much of a difference when things are great. just older boomers had it a bit better even. The basic pattern is the younger the worse you have it if you where born in the 70's or later. I really can't fanthom why people are still having kids.
Hey wasn’t Airbnb started by millennials?
Hey wasn't Ford started by Henry Ford? It's an equally relevant question.
Are you a boomer going for some sort of gotcha here or something? Karl Marx could have started Airbnb and it wouldn't change the situation we're in now so...what does it matter?
The point obviously is that the relentless attacks on “boomers” conveniently and consistently leaves out that Gen X and Millennials are the landlording generations, who have grown up with cheap money.
Buy to let didn’t really take off until interests rates fell in the late 90s
But this doesnt fit the narrative, and would leave you looking like fools tricked into fighting a generational war, instead of the criticising government policy like the savvy individuals I’m sure you all are. 👍
But you're the one inserting a generational war here, not me.
I was explaining the difference between buying a home in the 80s and buying one now and why boomers DID have it easier in that regard because you made a dumb joke about young people thinking boomers got free houses. Then in response you pulled out some unrelated millennial bullshit...? I didn't even say BOOMERS held the rentals...I said prior generations weren't hoarding real estate.
Neither of your replies have addressed the comments you replied to. You just kinda made up an enemy to argue with.
I didn’t make any jokes about free houses.
Read better, fool.
Millennials barely own homes, we have much lower home ownership rates and that’s only dropping more with each subsequent generation.
Who cares? It could've been started by anyone but the point remains: airbnb has had a negative influence on housing affordability.
Money does rain from the sky if you properly tax the rich.
Why would the rich do that to themselves?
They won't, which is why we need to free them from their burden and do it for them.
Nobody with a brain believes that straw man.
The topic is complex and nuanced but it isn't hard to see that, say, single family homes are harder to afford now versus in the past by several measures.
Here are some examples articles...
https://anytimeestimate.com/research/housing-prices-vs-inflation/
Though the title of the following sounds like it disproves me until you get to the part about wages not keeping up.
https://www.supermoney.com/inflation-adjusted-home-prices/
Particularly in the last few years things have gotten worse.
https://cnn.com/cnn/2023/08/24/homes/home-affordability-worst-since-1984/index.html
Okay boomer
Obvious troll is obvious
Nice strawman argument, clown shoes.
People also fail to factor in the difference in ameneties between boomers' 2 bedroom, single floor, no-garage house vs what people demand today
I'm actively searching for a house to buy - smaller than the one that what I grew up in - and while you're right about people wanting more space, it does not matter. Homes are disproportionally more expensive than they were in the 80s
The house I grew up in is now worth 1.4 million dollars.
I was going to include house much they sold it for a few years ago but I didn't think it was a fair comparison because they added a second floor
It's the thing I use to hammer home the idea that our lives are dramatically worse than our parents. I could not dream of paying that mortgage but my mom could pay it as a single mother of two because they bought it in the 80s for 300k and engineer salaries allowed them to pay it.
Is it demand or is it a question of builders wanting to maximize profits by building larger homes vs small starter homes?
https://realestate.usnews.com/real-estate/articles/what-is-a-starter-home
You didn’t hear ? Things are only hard now.