this post was submitted on 20 Jun 2023
-13 points (40.0% liked)

The Agora

1598 readers
1 users here now

In the spirit of the Ancient Greek Agora, we invite you to join our vibrant community - a contemporary meeting place for the exchange of ideas, inspired by the practices of old. Just as the Agora served as the heart of public life in Ancient Athens, our platform is designed to be the epicenter of meaningful discussion and thought-provoking dialogue.

Here, you are encouraged to speak your mind, share your insights, and engage in stimulating discussions. This is your opportunity to shape and influence our collective journey, just like the free citizens of Athens who gathered at the Agora to make significant decisions that impacted their society.

You're not alone in your quest for knowledge and understanding. In this community, you'll find support from like-minded individuals who, like you, are eager to explore new perspectives, challenge their preconceptions, and grow intellectually.

Remember, every voice matters and your contribution can make a difference. We believe that through open dialogue, mutual respect, and a shared commitment to discovery, we can foster a community that embodies the democratic spirit of the Agora in our modern world.

Community guidelines
New posts should begin with one of the following:

Only moderators may create a [Vote] post.

Voting History & Results

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
-13
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by darkwing_duck to c/agora
 

There's been plenty of discussion on defederation.

  1. https://sh.itjust.works/post/103490
  2. https://sh.itjust.works/post/216888
  3. https://sh.itjust.works/post/229169
  4. https://sh.itjust.works/post/151703

I propose we defederate no instance other than those with egregiously illegal content such as CP. Note that I know of no such instances.

As of the moment of this post, the only defederated instance is lemmygrad.ml, so voting Yea would refederate them. It's a genocide-denying Marxist instance.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] Socsa 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I still think this is naive in the face of real information warfare. This feels like saying "Nazis are welcome here but they aren't allowed on the second floor so if you don't want to see them stick to that."

Eventually the Nazis will just drive everyone else away and take over the second floor as well. Because the Nazis have no such holdups about acting in good faith.

I believe that communities must take measures to actively protect themselves, particularly from those who would abuse a community's values in order to remake them. I don't think the abstract threat of slippery slopes rises to the real threat posed by those who continually demonstrate a proclivity for subterfuge and sabotage.

[–] rektifier 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I should clarify. When the skinheads from the Nazi house down the street come over to visit, they must follow our instance-wide and community rules. This should be a basic fediquette for everyone. If they repeatedly fail to do that then we will have to defederate them. But if they check the swastika at the door and keep the Nazism to themselves while they're here, I don't see why not. Most of the calls for defederation so far have been about people not wanting to see activities happening on remote communities on certain instances.

[–] Socsa 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok but how many times will we make the mistake of letting the Nazis in the front door before we learn this lesson?

[–] rektifier 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It all depends on how the other instance responds.

  • If their admin don't want to do anything about users causing problems in other instances then I'd say defederate temporarily (1 month or more) each time their users break our rules.
  • If their admin actively encourages this kind of behaviour then defederate permanently.
  • If they have rules against bad behaviour on other instances and non-negligible consequences for violations then try to work with them, but still defederate temporarily (~1 week) when our/their moderation team can't keep up.