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Dark day for online privacy in the UK.

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[–] CouldntCareBear 92 points 11 months ago (4 children)

After bouncing back and forth between the house of lord's and the house of commons This bill is a shadow of it's former self. I'm glad to say.

Three things that were massively damaging for privacy and security have, as far as I can see, been scrapped.

  1. The bill no longer requires tech companies to control 'harmful but legal' content. A blurry, ill defined concept that would have been impossible to regulate.
  2. The bill no longer requires all end to end encrypted communication channel's (WhatsApp etc) to have a backdoor for governments and enforcement agencies to access unencrypted messages between people. Something that would have broken effective security in every way.
  3. The bill no longer requires porn to only be accessible to UK citizens after they have proven they are an adult. This was by providing bank details or ID to porn websites (lol no thanks), possibly through a third party company that is supposed to assure some privacy ( lol still no thanks).

And what's left in the bill is going to be regulated by Ofcom, a toothless underfunded shell of a regulatory body.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Can I ask where you got this info from? The article says the bill is 300 pages long. I'm never getting through all that.

Edit: the article also claims age verification for porn sites is still in there?

[–] CouldntCareBear 20 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Sure. I've not read it either but here's what I've found.

Removal of encryption backdoors - https://www.wired.co.uk/article/britain-admits-defeat-in-online-safety-bill-encryption

Removal of 'harmful but legal' - https://techcrunch.com/2022/11/29/uk-online-safety-bill-legal-but-harmful-edit/

Age verification isn't so clear cut but there's room for a lot of hope. What 'age verification' is going to be in the bill is yet to be determined by Ofcom.

.. Which is law makers kicking the can down the road... or passing the buck. Probably because it's unenforceable and a technical/ privacy nightmare. Maybe it will amount to something, in which case we should be afraid, but I think most likely it will amount to not much.

Full bill is here if you have a spare 3 days to read it all - https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/52368/documents/3841

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Again, the necessity for encryption backdoors has not been removed, simply paused.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

It is still in there.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

re your 2nd point, that's most certainly not been scrapped. The language has changed to basically say, they're aware thetech doesn't currently exist to do this but as soon as it does, it must be done. It's a temporary reprieve at best.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

OK great, because that tech will never exist.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Of course it will. As soon as quantum processing becomes a reality, which is getting nearer and nearer to happening, encryption will be simple to crack.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Oh please.

Only a very specific and unfortunately common encryption protocol will be affected by quantum computing.

Prime factorization based encryption is hosed, Elliptic curve cryptography is already the promoted standard and it’s not susceptible to the same issue.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Yeah, I just discovered that on a different thread. Something of a relief, I admit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

OK, but then at that point we're fucked anyway and it ALL becomes moot.

[–] CouldntCareBear 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think the bill words it as 'if feasible' or something similar. But that's enough wiggle room to drive a bus full of lawyers through.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

And enough room to be justifiably concerned about it being reintroduced whenever they decide. The point remains however, it's most certainly not been scrapped.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Don't worry, allmof that will be back on the table again next year, and then the next and the next, untill it passes.

Remember kids, if you want to be a good evil politician, you just keep pushing and pushing and pushing your evil shit until people tire and it passes.

This shit has been on the table at just about all governments since at least 2 decades. It just returns each year with a new name, same shit.