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[–] mindbleach 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You're overthinking it.

Conservatives don't believe things. Conservatives believe people.

Their stated ideals are ad-hoc justifications. All that has ever mattered is ingroup loyalty. Reality itself is defined by interpersonal trust. What's true today is simply dictated by people above you in The Hierarchy, and your job is to make whatever mouth noises justify them. If they weren't right and better and handsome then obviously they wouldn't belong in that high position. It is impossible for someone to simply be wrong. That would require an objective means of evaluating claims. In their worldview, that is not what claims are for.

This constant quest for logical explanations is a category error. Logic is not what they're doing. They think the whole world runs on who-says. Like if they get their guy to be the head scientist, he could make the sun go around the Earth.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Conservatives don’t believe things. Conservatives believe people.

This is kind of deep. Feels true. Did you come up with this?

[–] mindbleach 3 points 1 year ago

I did. This whole conservative theory-of-everything has been pinging around my brain for years, as many answers to 'what the fuck are they doing' became undeniably incomplete.

The hardest aspect to deal with is that this worldview is not fragile. There's no 'are we the baddies?' moment where someone snaps out of it. If it was just a reverse cargo cult, there'd be more people who reject the invitation. So we can't tell ourselves these people secretly know we're right. This is not an act or a strategy. It has to be some internally consistent way of filtering events... and it has to look like what we're doing, from the outside. Because in exactly the same way we tell ourselves everyone's trying to be reasonable - they tell themselves we're just performing loyalty.

It's tribalism. Simple as that. It's humanity's default us-good-you-bad protect-the-village mindset, expanded from trusting your witch-doctor's opinion on leeches to trusting your news anchor's opinion on horse dewormer. I mean, he's gotta be right. Look how much money he has. His penis must be enormous.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don’t think your idea precludes the idea conservatives are bitter about their own self-repression. The social cost of exploration being too high is flip side of the strict adherence to hierarchy for world view. If there wasn’t some emotion to tap into the narrative wouldn’t land nearly as well as it has