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there’s an alternate universe version of this where musk’s attendant sycophants and bodyguard have to fish his electrocuted/suffocated/crushed body out from the crawlspace he wedged himself into with a pocket knife

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is he gonna blame that one on Jewish people too?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

that's definitely defamatory to say that Elon would ever think something so ghastly as "Jewish people" did this, but it was definitely the ADL cancel culturing the servers

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Turns out his grandfather started/was in some sort of weird techno cult (engineers should rule the world) and that is why they all moved to ZA, and yes they did blame everything on Jewish people.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait, there's another weird techno-cult?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On the 8 October 1940 the arrests have been made [1] by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. The charges were for being a member of an illegal organisation Technocracy Incorporated. One of the arrested was Joshua Norman Haldeman, an amateur archaeologist, a former Regina chiropractor and former director of Technocracy Incorporated, the grandfather of Elon Musk.

there is so much to dig into here

Technocracy is the science of social engineering, the scientific operation of the entire social mechanism to produce and distribute goods and services to the entire population of this continent. For the first time in human history it will be done as a scientific, technical, engineering problem. There will be no place for Politics or Politicians, Finance or Financiers, Rackets or Racketeers.

technofascism really is older than it seems, isn’t it? there’s a bunch of shades of modern-day Silicon Valley libertarianism in there too, especially the reactionary shit that can be read as “you don’t need socialism if you do engineering hard enough and put all of your trust and money into the smart rich boys who lead our movement”. I’ve omitted some of the even more unhinged parts of their manifesto, but the whole thing is worth reading

this shit is fascinating and I want to find out more

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

there is so much to dig into here

This isn't as bad as it looks iirc, somewhere else I read this was because they were an anti-war org and those were declared illegal. No idea if they were anti war because the nazis should win, or anti war because war bad however.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

@Soyweiser I don't think there was anything illegal about being anti-war in general, even in the UK and Canada - it was one of the things that differentiated conscientious objection there from conscientious objectors in Nazi Germany, who tended to get sent to concentration camps and/or shot. A lot of conscientious objectors who were granted exemption from the draft did alternative service instead such as working in factories or as farm workers or miners.

What was illegal, though, was (yes indeed) promoting the idea that the war was bad and therefore Hitler should be allowed to win.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I have no idea btw, I'm just repeating what I read somewhere, and tbh, the journalism on this is pretty bad. (small example, why do they keep calling grimes musks ex wife?). (His grandfather also is somehow suddenly the leader of the org, which is not something mentioned by the wikipedia article).

They prob were on the pro nazi camp then.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

@Soyweiser (One of my dad's schoolteachers was a conscientious objector - a Quaker who volunteered for the Friends Ambulance Unit and spent a lot more time in harm's way than much of the actual military did)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Minor point of order: ZA, not SA (even though locally people think of it that way too)

(Source: am ZAian; SA is Saudi Barbaria)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Ah sorry. Edited.