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Remind me what happens to informants who refuse to cooperate with authorities.
So what you are saying is that not only was the leader not an FBI employee, but a rat, but also that he was an unwilling rat at that. You just defeated your own argument.
What argument do you think I’m making?
He was working toward the goals the FBI directed him to because the alternative was jail time. I don’t really care about wether he was on the payroll or not.
I'm confused. What argument ARE you making?
He was an informant because the FBI forced him to
That's a funny way of saying he chose to relay info instead of going to jail. The fbi didn't force him to do anything. They gave him a choice.
Yes! We agree on this. It’s not some crazy conspiracy that a leader of the proud boys was working with the FBI, whether by choice or not isn’t really important.
The issue is that you want to insinuate, that Jan 6th was in a not insignificant way influenced by the FBI, when all that was really said was, that the leader was forced to snitch on his own people.
I actually kind of doubt he was forced at all. These guys love cops and I could easily see them informing just because they believe the cops are on their side.
Im not insinuating they influenced it at all. I won't say it's out of the realm of possibility, but ultimately what does it matter if their highly placed informant didn't give them enough warning to get ahead of Jan 6th? They may or may not have encouraged it but I doubt they were unaware. Was their inaction incompetence or were they complicit?
The same thing that happens to drug dealers who refuse to cooperate when caught. Or any other criminal who doesn't take a plea deal.
Informants are often just given a little more rope to hang themselves with before the arrest.
Do you think that maybe the threat of imprisonment is better than a paycheck to motivate people to do as you ask?
There are twisted incentives, and the FBI and police have been known to send low level offenders into dangerous situations on threat of extreme jail sentences, but that's not what happened here.
The proud boys are a domestic terrorist organization, and always have been. Their membership handbook lays out how to advance in the organization, and one of the steps is to go out and get into a fight with people who the proud boys consider "enemies". Just go out into the streets and bodily attack someone, and possibly get arrested for doing so.
I guess the final step is to turn informant and squeal like a stuck piggy.