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[–] [email protected] 91 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

When we talk amongst ourselves we're an echo chamber.

When we talk to other people we're brigading.

parenti

[–] [email protected] 65 points 11 months ago (3 children)

During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime's atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn't go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them. If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I've read this before; where is it from?

[–] [email protected] 44 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Blackshirts and Reds by Michael Parenti

party-parenti

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago

Based Parenti. I've recently read him on Tibet and his writing style is striking.

[–] loutr 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That's usually how echo chambers and brigading work, yes.

Not saying you are, don't really care either way.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago

If you don't care, then why make an obtuse comment that seems to not get the point that was being made?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

So does that mean all discussion is one of the two?