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Lemmyshitpost community closed until further notice (lemmy.world)

submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Hello everyone,

We unfortunately have to close the !lemmyshitpost community for the time being. We have been fighting the CSAM (Child Sexual Assault Material) posts all day but there is nothing we can do because they will just post from another instance since we changed our registration policy.

We keep working on a solution, we have a few things in the works but that won't help us now.

Thank you for your understanding and apologies to our users, moderators and admins of other instances who had to deal with this.

Edit: @[email protected] the moderator of the affected community made a post apologizing for what happened. But this could not be stopped even with 10 moderators. And if it wasn't his community it would have been another one. And it is clear this could happen on any instance.

But we will not give up. We are lucky to have a very dedicated team and we can hopefully make an announcement about what's next very soon.

Edit 2: removed that bit about the moderator tools. That came out a bit harsher than how we meant it. It's been a long day and having to deal with this kind of stuff got some of us a bit salty to say the least. Remember we also had to deal with people posting scat not too long ago so this isn't the first time we felt helpless. Anyway, I hope we can announce something more positive soon.

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[-] [email protected] 251 points 10 months ago

Contact the FBI

[-] [email protected] 193 points 10 months ago

This isn't as crazy as it may sound either. I saw a similar situation, contacted them with the information I had, and the field agent was super nice/helpful and followed up multiple times with calls/updates.

[-] [email protected] 95 points 10 months ago

This doesn't sound crazy in the least. It sounds like exactly what should be done.

[-] [email protected] 45 points 10 months ago

yha, what do people think the FBI is for... this isn't crazy. They can get access to ISP logs, VPN provider logs, etc.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

I think what they're saying is that contacting the FBI may seem daunting to someone who has never dealt with something like this before, but that they don't need to worry about it. Just contact them.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Under US jurisdiction, yeah. Could be slightly more difficult depending on the country, LEGAT can't conduct unilateral operations so they'll have to cooperate with foreign authorities. These assholes can get away with exploiting jurisdictional boundaries. Hopefully they will be caught, but oh well.

[-] [email protected] 115 points 10 months ago

This is good advice; I suspect they're outside of the FBI's jurisdiction, but they could also be random idiots, in which case they're random idiots who are about to become registered sex offenders.

[-] [email protected] 45 points 10 months ago

They might be, but I'd imagine most countries have laws on the books about this sort of stuff too.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago

And it's something that the nations usually have no issues cooperating with.

The FBI has assisted in a lot of global raids related to CSAM.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

There are few situations where pretty much everyone universally agrees to work together. This is one of those situations. Across cultures and nations, pedos are seen as some of the most vile people alive.

[-] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The FBI has offices in alot of other countries and work with local law enforcement.

https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/international-offices

Can't really hide from them unless you live in North Korea or Russia

[-] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Wait, is this like China having police offices in other countries?

I knew the US collects taxes on their citizens no matter where they live, but isn't this kind of excessive? Wasn't INTERPOL supposed to take care of international crime?

[-] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

For more than eight decades, the FBI has stationed special agents and other personnel overseas. We help protect Americans back home by building relationships with principal law enforcement, intelligence, and security services around the globe.

It is similar to China's international police but keep in mind quite a few other countries have a similar setup

[-] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

I'm just surprised that it's FBI personnel, I thought the CIA was in charge of international affairs, with INTERPOL acting as liaison for the FBI with other countries.

IIRC in the EU we have EUROPOL acting as liaison between the national law enforcement branches, and while there is nothing stopping personnel from one country to enter another, I don't think they do. But maybe that's more like the state vs. federal jurisdictions in the US. On the other hand, it's been some time since I've looked deeper into it, and things keep changing.

[-] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago

I have to wonder if Interpol could help with issues like this I know there are agencies that work together globally to help protect missing and exploited children.

[-] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago

'Criminal activity should be reported to your local or national police. INTERPOL does not carry out investigations or arrest people; this is the responsibility of national police.'

From their website.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

What the hell do they actually do then?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

"Interpol provides investigative support, expertise and training to law enforcement worldwide, focusing on three major areas of transnational crime: terrorism, cybercrime and organized crime. Its broad mandate covers virtually every kind of crime, including crimes against humanity, child pornography, drug trafficking and production, political corruption, intellectual property infringement, as well as white-collar crime. The agency also facilitates cooperation among national law enforcement institutions through criminal databases and communications networks. Contrary to popular belief, Interpol is itself not a law enforcement agency."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpol

[-] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Huh. Thanks!

[-] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago

The FBI reports it to interpol I believe, interpol is more of like an international warrant system built from treaties.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

FBI would be great in this case tbh. They have the resources.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Perhaps most importantly, it establishes that the mods/admins/etc of the community are not complicit in dissemination of the material. If anyone (isp, cloud provider, law enforcement, etc) tries to shut them down for it, they can point to their active and prudent engagement of proper authorities.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

More importantly, and germaine to our conversation, the FBI has the contacts and motivation to work with their international partners wherever the data leads.