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Pupils will be banned from wearing abayas, loose-fitting full-length robes worn by some Muslim women, in France's state-run schools, the education minister has said.

The rule will be applied as soon as the new school year starts on 4 September.

France has a strict ban on religious signs in state schools and government buildings, arguing that they violate secular laws.

Wearing a headscarf has been banned since 2004 in state-run schools.

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[–] Kecessa 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

But religion and family should? 🤔

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

Is condemning one thing endorsing another? Do two things wrongs make a right?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I get you, but... isn't religion supposed to be a free decision? you're agreeing to their terms and conditions (I know, I know, you can stop the laugh track).

[–] Kecessa 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You really believe that families religious enough to force their kids to wear certain clothes would accept that they renounce their religion?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yep, hence the laugh track. I was raised as a Christian (atheist now) and I know first hand you don't get to choose lol but renouncing a religion is not a crime (in my country at least)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well up that laugh track to 11 when you hear what islam thinks about that last part

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I know such cases exists.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, it those shouldn't either. Which is why I'm conflicted here.

[–] Kecessa 5 points 1 year ago

I'm playing Devil's advocate honestly. I'm much more comfortable with Quebec's take than France's (which is similar but one step above, in Quebec it only applies to government employees in a position of authority)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As for religion you have the choice to follow it or not, and following it comes with the burden of wearing certain things but you can choose to not follow that religion whenever you want if you want to dress differently. In a public school you should be able to choose what you wear, because you pretty much have to go to school.

[–] Kecessa 9 points 1 year ago

You can stop following it whenever you want?

You realise that we're talking about kids here, right?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I agree with this. But my girlfriend would certainly not. We're in France and yet the pressure of her family on religion makes it that even on point she doesn't care much about, there is so much behind her that it's a real real pressure to respect the religion, which is hard to sometimes imagine, and to me an atheist seems ridiculous, you should make your own choices, well, for her, simply because of the people she is with. Not following certain religious rules can cost her a lot. Economically or Mentally for exemple