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[โ€“] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (4 children)

"Your body, your choice" has a limit once a super dangerous pathogen shows up and people start refusing the best tool we have to stop it for increasingly batshit reasons.

If you choose not to vaccinate, you're directly putting everyone else you interact with at risk. So there's a limit

[โ€“] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

Eh, "your body, your choice" still holds. The rest of us just also get to use our bodily autonomy to say "fine, but stay away from society". Go live in the wilderness and avoid the 5Gs or whatever as you die of a stubbed toe because of your choices.

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

when anything is that important, the medicine must be opensourced ^1^.

if so, and it's handled correctly, you can still have body autonomy in those situations due to the resulting freedoms - much akin in nature to the software foss freedoms we all cherish. and in that sense, would not be a limit of โ€œYour body, your choice". while still maintaining, if not increasing, the public protection to such threats.

it was really refreshing to see some discussion in public health policy from some very smart and relevant people for opensourcing those medications. unsurprisingly it was swiftly shot down, but it was nice to at least see it taking place - which is a small positive change.

^1^ naturally we decouple authentication and traceability from commercial interests. and ofc it does not mean noone gets paid

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That's definitely a valid concern, I don't think private enterprises should hold the secrets to protecting people from deadly diseases.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It should still be a personal choice. Someone else isn't really putting you at any more risk if you've been vaccinated as it doesn't stop you carrying a virus just aliveates the symptoms. It just means they're more likely to be laid up for a week where as you shrug it off.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

What about people who can't be vaccinated?

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

There is no limit. Even in those cases they could be treated without vaccination. And the unvaccinated could be banned from spaces where they would be a danger. I mean come on, you're not even liberal? This is a super basic liberal principle baked into our society snd you just... disagree with it.