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Let's start with Tibet.
You mean the theocratic slaver state of Tibet that was liberated by the PLA? That's a fine place to start to show that you are just another western left anti-communist.
Edit: I'd recommend Blackshirts and Reds to understand the phenomenon of left anti-communism in the West. If you're serious about communism, it might help you understand the rift driven between you and the people you call "tankies" https://mltheory.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/michael-parenti-blackshirts-and-reds_-rational-fascism-and-the-overthrow-of-communism-2001.pdf
I will check out the book. I've been wrong about plenty of things before, so always willing to learn
Cool. It was one i found very clarifying when i was trying to learn more about AES and sort through the reality of those countries as opposed to the Western version of them
Download it to my phone. Will read on the bus tomorrow
Most of Hexbear held your views at one point or another - the Uyghur genocide forced sterilisation was my turning point
Yes yes yes, China freed and liberated Tibet by taking it over. Of course. Nothing imperialist about that.
Just like the US has been liberating and freeing all those people in the middle east.
There's a big a difference between the two actions. Let's start with the US. They "liberate" Iraq and Afghanistan and proceed to extract value out of the country. Byzantine networks of private contractor orgs: Haliburton, KBR, Blackwater all making money, along with the military industrial profiteer complex. These countriee were hollowed out for profit and foreign extraction. US empire nakedly acts to make money for the ruling class.
Now, where is that in Tibet? Where is the capitalist extraction? Where is the hollowing out and using up of resources? People in Tibet are now freer, and better educated, and live better lives now than when they were slaves to the lamas. Its not cynical double speak to call what happened in Tibet liberation the way the US government claimed to he liberating Iraq. They freed an enslaved people, that's not an act of imperialism just because it involved an army. An army literally named the People's Liberation Army
You think that China does not extract any economic value out of Tibet? That's pure naivete.
The victorious imperialists ALWAYS claim that their subjugation of another is to the benefit of that other nations. Always.
You don't know how to actually counter what i said because you don't really know about Tibet or the PRC, or understand that while its not yet operating under full socialism, it does have a dictatorship of the proletariat guided by a revolutionary vanguard party. Not understanding these things, yet having an opinion about the PRC is charitably naivete
lol did you copy and paste the definition of Leninism from wikipedia?
No I'm an ML so i don't need to check a wiki, its just straight off the dome. Is it weird that a ML party governs a nation using ML concepts?
I just think it's funny that you're trying to flex your oh so superior knowledge about what's literally 101 level communism.
I'm not trying to flex. That's just the situation in the PRC that you don't seem to respect, since you view China as imperialist based on nothing
Walks like a duck, talks like a duck, swims like a duck, annexes other countries like a duck. But it insists it’s a platypus so I guess we’ll pretend it’s a mammal.
They literally freed slaves in Tibet. How is that imperialism? Was John Brown an imperialist at Harper's Ferry?
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