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What's some really unpopular opinion you have? (lemmings.world)
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Most of the time when people say they have an unpopular opinion, it turns out it's actually pretty popular.

Do you have some that's really unpopular and most likely will get you downvoted?

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[โ€“] CookieJarObserver 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Actually a non meat diet in many places is way more expensive and way less Filling than just eating meat or fish.

You can down vote me all you want, but consider bringing a argument against it if possible.

[โ€“] Meowoem 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's entirely down to economies of scale and cultural bias, you're talking about weird rural towns where the local shop almost caused a riot by accidentally stocking a type of bean no one was familiar with.

The cost to produce vegan food is well below that of meat equivalents, it takes a lot less resources at every stage of the process

[โ€“] CookieJarObserver 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The production cost is, yes. The price it's sold for absolutely isn't.

[โ€“] Meowoem -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because in some areas it's rare so anyone choosing it is forced to pay a premium, where it's more common it's the cheaper alternative because there's more competition.

[โ€“] CookieJarObserver -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Some? You mean basically the entire EU?

[โ€“] Meowoem -1 points 1 year ago

That's not even close to true, I've eaten cheap in every country in Western Europe, I can't speak for the rest but I know Slovakian and Polish vegans who post great looking meals on their social media.

[โ€“] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it takes the same resources. like THE EXACT same resources. because we feed animals the parts of plants we can't or don't want to eat. any given acre of soy beans has an 85% chance it will all be used to make soy bean oil, and the industrial waste from that process is fed to livestock.

[โ€“] Meowoem 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can't seriously belive that, endless studies have been done and they all demonstrate it's incredibly clear which takes more resources

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you have a study that shows that 85% of soybeans aren't crushed for oil? a study that shows that livestock aren't mostly fed crop seconds and silage and industrial waste? i'd like to see that.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

that supports my case

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No? You said 85% of soy goes to oil production. Only 11% is though. (Roughly 80% is produced for livestock)

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

you're not reading that page very closely. a soybean is only about 20% oil, so to get 17% in oil uses, you'll need to crush about 85% of all soybeans.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
  • approximate percent of soybean that is oil = 20.00
  • percent of soy fed directly to animals = 7.00
  • percent of soy fed to dairy = 1.4
  • percent of soy fed to beef = 0.5
  • percent of soy fed to pets = 0.5
  • percent of soy fed to aquaculture = 5.6
  • percent of soy fed to pig = 20.2
  • percent of soy fed to poultry = 37.0
  • percent of soy that becomes human food = 20.00
  • percent of soy that becomes oil for food = 13.2
  • percent of soy that becomes soy milk = 2.1
  • percent of soy that becomes tofu = 2.6
  • percent of soy that becomes tempeh etc = 2.2
  • percent of soy that is fed to animals = 76.0
  • percent of soy that is used industrially = 4.00
  • percent of soy that becomes biodiesel = 2.8
  • percent of soy that becomes lubricants = .03
  • percent of soy that has other industrial uses = .07
  • percent of soy not fed directly to animals = 93.00
  • if all soy not fed directly to livestock were pressed for oil = (approximate percent of soybean that is oil / 100) * percent of soy not fed directly to animals
  • soy eaten not as oil = percent of soy that becomes soy milk + percent of soy that becomes tofu + percent of soy that becomes tempeh etc
  • if all soy not eaten directly by livestock and not as non-oil food is pressed for oil = (percent of soy not fed directly to animals - soy eaten not as oil) * approximate percent of soybean that is oil / 100

If we take 7% of all soy out because it's fed directly to animals, and another 6.9% is eaten, but not as oil, and 20% of each of the remaining beans are made of oil, we find 17.22% is the maximum amount of oil we could get if all the soy beans not fed to animals or eaten by people are pressed for oil.

It turns out that the chart shows 13.2% is oil for humans to eat, and 4.0% is used industrially (and these are all oil uses), totaling 17.2%,then basically all soy not eaten directly by animals or as various human foods is pressed for oil.

source https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2021/02/Global-soy-production-to-end-use.png

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Where does it say, that it counts secondary uses? My understanding of the chart is, that 13.2% of soy is pressed for oil for human consumption and it's leftovers might also be fed to animals. But additionally to the other 76%

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago
  • approximate percent of soybean that is oil = 20.00
  • percent of soy fed directly to animals = 7.00
  • percent of soy fed to dairy = 1.4
  • percent of soy fed to beef = 0.5
  • percent of soy fed to pets = 0.5
  • percent of soy fed to aquaculture = 5.6
  • percent of soy fed to pig = 20.2
  • percent of soy fed to poultry = 37.0
  • percent of soy that becomes human food = 20.00
  • percent of soy that becomes oil for food = 13.2
  • percent of soy that becomes soy milk = 2.1
  • percent of soy that becomes tofu = 2.6
  • percent of soy that becomes tempeh etc = 2.2
  • percent of soy that is fed to animals = 76.0
  • percent of soy that is used industrially = 4.00
  • percent of soy that becomes biodiesel = 2.8
  • percent of soy that becomes lubricants = .03
  • percent of soy that has other industrial uses = .07
  • percent of soy not fed directly to animals = 93.00
  • if all soy not fed directly to livestock were pressed for oil = (approximate percent of soybean that is oil / 100) * percent of soy not fed directly to animals
  • soy eaten not as oil = percent of soy that becomes soy milk + percent of soy that becomes tofu + percent of soy that becomes tempeh etc
  • if all soy not eaten directly by livestock and not as non-oil food is pressed for oil = (percent of soy not fed directly to animals - soy eaten not as oil) * approximate percent of soybean that is oil / 100

If we take 7% of all soy out because it's fed directly to animals, and another 6.9% is eaten, but not as oil, and 20% of each of the remaining beans are made of oil, we find 17.22% is the maximum amount of oil we could get if all the soy beans not fed to animals or eaten by people are pressed for oil.

It turns out that the chart shows 13.2% is oil for humans to eat, and 4.0% is used industrially (and these are all oil uses), totaling 17.2%,then basically all soy not eaten directly by animals or as various human foods is pressed for oil.

source https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2021/02/Global-soy-production-to-end-use.png

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

you're misunderstanding the chart. it literally says "end uses " on the chart. do you see where the soy fed to cattle is called "soy cake"? that's the byproduct of pressing soybeans for oil.