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You need evidence for feminism being misandrist?
I mean, I can give you that, as there is plenty to go around, starting from the 1848 Declaration of Sentiments painting men in general as tyrannical oppressors.
Do you need us to make a list?
No. There is a difference between criticizing a system and criticizing a gender. I'm all for criticizing traditional gender norms, but I'm vehemently opposed to demonizing men.
Just like you reject the misogyny in some corners of the men's movement (as do I), I reject the misandry so prevalent in feminism.
And exactly because misandry is so prevalent in feminism (and reflected in its theory), I call those who wish to advocate for women from an egalitarian perspective to distance themselves from it.
There is a difference between criticism of social systems and criticism of individuals living within those systems.
But you are hell-bent on misunderstanding and conflating the two. Deliberately so it seems.
Just look at how you write this, for goodness sake.
Misogyny is "in some corners" of the men's movements, but misandry is "so prevalent" in feminism? As if misogyny isn't rife is many men's rights spaces, the misogyny is so prevalent it's become a joke to the rest of the Internet.
There is a guy in this magazine just straight up denying women's historical suffering and suggesting that women don't actually know mistreatment, or perhaps he's suggesting worse, that they're lying about it.
The misogyny is already here.
Alright. Good luck with that. Lol.
That's not what I said. I said: There is a difference between criticizing a system and criticizing a gender. As in, there is a difference between criticizing social phenomena (or groups of people choosing to behave in certain ways), and criticizing groups of people by innate characteristics.
Methinks the deliberate misunderstanding is on your part.
Yes, that is my observation.
It's not. That's mostly smears from the feminist camp, especially based on a confusion of criticism of feminism with criticism of women.
And what happens in men's rights spaces is quite in opposition to the feminist camp, where misandry is embedded in their theory, even tho people usually defend it.
Then please report that comment / those comments. I'm human and the moderation tools here are rudimentary. It's not easy for me to see everything, but misogyny is not welcome here.
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I'd object to that, because I didn't attack you, but I don't think I care any more.
You've made it obvious what kind of space this is. Good luck with it.