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Former Vice President Mike Pence has confirmed that he took notes on his conversations with former President Trump leading up to the Jan. 6 riot, as Trump repeatedly pressured him to reject the results of the 2020 election during the certification in Congress.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

All the more reason to convict him as an accomplice. He knew what was coming and still did nothing to stop it.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Its complicated, because he did stop it. He also immediately took notes and immediately told others about the conversations, actions which clearly paint him as somebody fully versed in the processes of establishing cooperation with law enforcement on an informer basis.

It is also arguable that the entire insurrection that day was a cover to specifically murder Mike Pence on the Capitol steps. There was day of chatter that the gallow was brought into the city in one of the vehicles in Alex Jones' caravan. We know that with the charging of Donald Trump, Alex Jones is now essentially the only conspirator of Jan. 6 who remains charge free.

Whatever we think of Mike Pence, our country still existing might have solely rested in his hands and it appears he did the right thing in the way he knew how. He saved his life. He saved his family's life. He saved his country.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I find the idea of giving Pence one iota of credit for any of that to be profane in the extreme, but if it turns out to be true… ugh… I suppose I would have to. I also don’t believe his motivations would have been anything other than self-serving.

still, gross. he’s such a terrible person.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (48 children)

Yeah he's a religious nutter but at least he respects democracy.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

at least he respects democracy.

bigotry and hate are not compatible with democracy, a cornerstone of which is equality

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Broken clock is right twice a day man. Being saved by a piece of shit isn't fun.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

well… he’s not a broken clock. he’s a self-serving asshole whose self-interest just so happened to coincidentally align with not destroying American democracy at that particular moment. it had nothing to do with anything but himself.

and THAT is what sucks the most, not to mention that people are praising him for it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"the broken clock just so happened to coincidentally align with the current time" Kinda exactly what the phrase is used for.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“ A broken clock is right twice a day” is the phrase. 

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I know, you were saying the phrase doesn't apply, but it does.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Stopped clock, if you're an "eat your cake and have it too" type of person, because a broken clock might be broken in that it runs fast, slow, or be missing teeth on a gear or sometime causing it to skip.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Of course the motives were self serving. He likely saw himself going down in history as the man who singlehandedly saved the US and thought it would help him become president.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Its complicated, because he did stop it. He also immediately took notes and immediately told others about the conversations, actions which clearly paint him as somebody fully versed in the processes of establishing cooperation with law enforcement on an informer basis.

Yeah, I hate to admit it, but I might not be giving him enough credit. When I read about his conversation with Dan Quayle I thought he was trying to find a legal basis for doing what the mob wanted, but it may have been the other way around. He may have been attempting to establish unambiguously that he intended to comply with the law, and he consulted with someone who is not only another attorney, but a former vice president, in order to leave no doubt about what the law mandated.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I think the moment he was first aproacged with this idea, he likely assumed they weren't asking and began formulating a plan.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

He saved his life. He saved his family’s life. He saved his country.

And then he failed to assure that all of these things would remain safe going forward. This is still going on, and had Pence not refused to be cooperative before, the path forward would be much more clear today than it is.

Only time will tell whether Pence did just barely enough to avert collapse, or only enough to delay collapse. Neville Chamberlain was trying to keep Britain out of war, and he did, for a time. Until he didn't, and history remembers the outcome.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Neither of us have security clearances we really dont know if he has ever refused to collaborate. Confidential informants have to keep their cover.

And seeing that they attempted to murder him, I am not sure I can say he was able to keep his cover for very long.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Well, he won't be the guy on the next test, so I guess we have to hope the next one has some principles (or self-interest that appears as such) as well.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

He refused to go along with the conspiracy - that's why the votes were counted and why the process was only delayed some hours rather than weeks.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Doing nothing was doing something. He didn't cave to rejecting the votes selectively, which is what made that fail. So it seems like Pence did exactly what needed doing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Ahem

“The enemy if my enemy is my friend.”

Heed these prophetic words