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We went from LEARN TO CODE to NO ONE LEARN TO CODE GET A CONSTRUCTION JOB in about a 3 year span.
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Pictured: just shuffling cards.
No, as it happens, I'm a milquetoast liberal. But I recognize all of the things you just mentioned require systemic protections against letting money decide everything. Capitalism alone is too stupid to figure out 'easier food' means fewer people should starve. We don't have to burn it all down and start over, to catch these failure cases, and just... give people stuff, when there's suddenly more of it.
Stuff getting easier isn't the problem. Keeping it hard is not a solution.
Just take some of the money the rich fuckers get, and give it to the people who used to make their stuff. The stuff's getting made, either way.
I 100% agree with that. Still, don't fucking steal everyone's copyrighted art of any kind. I don't care if you're a person making art in your basement or you're making it for museums. Leave the artists alone, it's hard enough as it is.
Not even piracy is theft, and this is not piracy. Training is transformative use. A four-gig model should be worse at reproducing the Mona Lisa than a 40 KB JPEG. Anything less famous should have the accuracy of oral tradition.
This is a whole new kind of software, more complex than anything we know how to do any other way, and it performs witchcraft. You, personally, expect it to replace anything I could ever write. It could do that even if we erased all existing models and started from public-domain custom-made artisanally-sourced data. The delay would be minor and pointless. It doesn't even work yet, and the rich fuckers are going, stuff's getting easier, let's make life harder.
Technology is not the problem.
You're right, it's technology that's been programmed to steal people's art that's the problem. Stop it.
Doing what you expect would not fix what you're complaining about.
Say we tossed all this out, and only trained on a tiny set of varied images, made specifically for this training. We create a bespoke from-scratch model that's free and clear of any concerns for authorship, copyright, permission, or content.
That model could still copy any artist's style. However close or abstract the approximation, it's only a vector in some n-dimensional space. Some guy uses thick lines, purple shadows, extreme perspectives? Then so long as the new model has concepts of line width, shadow tint, and foreshortening, all you gotta do is probe for how it classifies that guy's work, versus anyone else's.
This is how models published a year ago can be made to reproduce anime characters who were announced yesterday. If you can describe Hatsune Miku in terms of her distinguishing features then any worthwhile model will satisfy those labels.
Then pay the artists who the models stole the style from. You can't copy a style unless the artist agrees. Also, all artist's work used as a source must be credited.
... if I draw in another artist's style, using my human hands, do I owe them money?
Legally speaking, do I even owe them credit?
Yes, you do. It's fuzzy about how much you can do it and cross the line, but it's illegal. If you use my art to create someone's other art, then get permission and pay me. Just like in the movies, give credit where credit is due.
"Using your art" is not in any sense the same thing as "drawing in your style."
You can't keep equivocating between wholesale copy-pasting and... anything else.
And again: a character created yesterday can still be recreated with existing models. That art plainly was not used for the model - it did not exist, yet.