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Artificial intelligence (AI) is intelligence demonstrated by machines, unlike the natural intelligence displayed by humans and animals, which involves consciousness and emotionality. The distinction between the former and the latter categories is often revealed by the acronym chosen.
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How would such a law be enforced? What agency would enforce it? What penalty would one face for breaking this law?
Force the AI models to contain some kind of metadata in all their material. Training AI models is a massive undertaking, it's not like they can hide what they're doing. We know who is training these models and where their data centers are, so a regulatory agency would certainly be able to force them to comply.
In the US this could be done with the FCC, in other countries the power can be invested into regulatory bodies that control communications and broadcasting etc.
The penalty? Break them on the fucking wheel.
yes, the ones you pay for and are the publicly scrutinized might. Privately trained models just, you know, won't
If they can find cannabis grow ops from power usage, they certainly can find people using massive amounts of data and processing power and public water and investor cash to train AI. You expect me to believe this could be done in secret?
Medieval torture in response to what is essentially copyright infringement. Very sane!
Or just nationalize their companies I guess.
Well that's certainly less extreme than breaking on the wheel, I'll give you that, but it doesn't seem very realistic in most countries, where nationalization is rare and done mainly for strategic purposes.
Well the most realistic thing is that there will be no regulations or if there are regulations they're toothless fines or something.
I didn't realize we were limiting ourselves to our backwards political system where the rich and powerful write their own regulations.
Nothing will be done, realistically.
Nothing is ever done about anything.
I gather from your username that you consider yourself a communist? How do you suppose your ambitions could be put into reality when the movement is so devastatingly weak and disorganized?
Things only look that way when you're a Western Marxist and reject actually existing socialism around the world. China is hardly weak or disorganized.
Or do you mean AI regulation? I think it's probably best to just focus on AI being used for war and struggle against that (No Tech For Apartheid comes to mind), rather than try and tackle all AI everywhere all at once.
To be clear I am not a socialist or communist, Western or otherwise. Yes, China is ascendent on the world stage and likely will continue to be, but they have shown no willingness to aid communist movements abroad. That can change of course but it would seem to me that the CPC is more concerned with maintaining international relationships and economic agreements than fomenting the global revolution. I also somewhat doubt the party's commitment to eventually 'withering away' as Marx put it. To be fair, I know that couldn't happen unless the whole world was on board or they'd get promptly steamrolled by one adversary or another.
China's commitment to peaceful internal development certainly means they won't help revolutionary communism abroad directly, at least for now, but they still raise the contractions. Normal people will look at their growing economy and compare it to our stagnant economy and become agitated.
And then there's BRICS destroying the reserve currency status of the US dollar and bringing about a multipolar world.
Closer to home, there's the internal decline of the US that will soon make it impossible for it to meddle in countries with socialist and anticolonial movements. Imagine a world where the US couldn't kill leaders like Sukarno or Lumumba or Allende, nor could it invade Korea or Vietnam. It will try, of course, but the age of hegemony is over.
That's the future I see, and it makes me optimistic.
Quite off topic for an AI thread, though!