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Your only argument was essentially "it has capitalism in the name!".
Now you just have "nuh-uh"
No. I defined what's socialism for me (owning of the mean of production by the workers), and all can see that the USSR and friends weren't that. Then I gave Marx's definition of socialism, even if I'm not Marxist (a mode of production were the usefulness replaced the price as value), and all can see that the USSR and friends weren't that. Thus they're something else, and I used a term that Lenin himself used: state capitalism (which wasn't limited to the NEP). Please stop with your strawmen.
If your definition of socialism is "ownership by the workers, but they can't form any kind of representative body to administrate production (ie. a state)", then you've just defined socialism out of existence. Unless the expecting the entire population to come together and form a consensus on every decision, ("what color should we make the wall paper? Oh well time to get all eight billion humans on a group call").
If you think workers had anything to say in the USSR, you're delusional.
You can drop the ableism, and the proletariat ran the government in the USSR. The democratic structure looked like this:
Beautiful propaganda.
It's factually true, but you don't like it, so time to deploy the thought terminating cliche
You can also read historical texts like Soviet Democracy by Pat Sloan, as well. There's also tons of information from the Soviet Archives, we know quite well that this is accurate information. Labelling everything that goes against your understanding as "propaganda" without doing the legwork to prove it is shallow.
K. Very compelling point. "If you disagree with me you are mentally unwell."
But you've already condemned any representative representative body administrating things, so I'm not sure what your point is anyway.
Disagreements on opinions and beliefs are sane, normal and even cool. I love a good debate! Disagreements on facts aren't.
No, I never did that.
Well the fact is that you're wrong. So if you try to say you're right, it means you're insane.
Yes, you did. That's a fact, by the way, so you claiming otherwise is just you being unwell.