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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

And it's intentional. Lay off the workers. Implement AI Slop. Slop does sloppy work. Hire back workers as Temps or Contractors. No benefits. Lower pay.

Like all of Capitalism. It's a fucking scam. A conjob. A new innovation in fucking over workers. (Ironically the only "innovation" ever directly produced by Capitalism)

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I remember when everyone was saying that companies would need programmers and that every kid should learn programming. Now I realize that companies were promoting that idea so they're be a surplus of programmers competing with each other and companies could underpay and swap out workers quickly.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah obviously. Whenever a company says "we can't get enough X workers" they implicitly mean "at the price we want to pay".

But that doesn't mean they were wrong. Programming is still an amazingly well paying and low stress career. Being replaced by AI is a little worrying, but I think by the time AI is good enough to really replace programmers, it will also be able to replace most white collar jobs - HR, finance, etc. - and society will have bigger problems.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I would not market an industry well know for burnouts as "low stress" though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The games programming industry is high stress, but apart from that it isn't. I don't think it's known for burnouts any more than any other industry.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I don't think it's known for burnouts any more than any other industry.

Whoever your project manager is, I hope you have thanked them today. You're clearly working with some of the least shitty ones.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

exactly, "reserve army of labour" is a tale as old as capitalism.

Just that the IT industry has run a very effective propaganda campaign for it

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Since when are contractors lower pay? Companies waste fortunes on them.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They dont usually have benefits (eg: health insurance) or time off

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Even accounting for that (at least in countries with national healthcare), they're definitely more expensive than regular employees.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Employees are a liability on the balance sheet whereas contractors are just lumped into a project cost.

Healthcare is only a fraction of fringe costs — employer payroll tax, unemployment insurance, facilities and admin…

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

You're right, but I think the main reason companies like it is because it's easier to get rid of contractors than full-time employees.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

That's because the agency gets half for basically doing nothing

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

I don't think you do capitalism justice. It also fucks over social structures, the environment, democracy.