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Nothing in the modlogs says that Leni was banned for being autistic, the sole exception being Leni banning themselves on their ShiverMeTimbers alt, where they used autism in the reason box as an attempt to discredit the existing modlogs.
Users have to agree to a security question that includes slurs against marginalised demographics before they can sign up on KiwiFarms. The site makes no effort to hide what it's goal is. Leni referred to people on there as "lolcows". They also said that someone dislikes the site because they're probably from two demographics who see themselves at odds with it, which was very obviously referring to both autistic and transgender people, since those are the people the site targets the most.
You keep talking about autism, but all I see is a URL linking to an article. It looks like the person who banned her is using it as a cue. The modlogs have been wrong before, with or without Leni or the people who everyone claims are her alts.
Alright, first off, how would you know this if you are banned from KiwiFarms on account of being English? You strike me as a liar now. Considering you're the one here who actually acts like they would be on KiwiFarms, including with downvoting people using alts, I am beginning to have suspicions about you.
Second, I opened up the page for it out of curiosity. At least on my device, what you describe isn't there.
Third, "lolcow" isn't always a slur. It comes from "lol" and "cow", and combined, it makes a word that means "someone you can depend on to be humorous". The "cow" part refers to "milking" as a metaphor. The word "lolcow" is used as a part of the rules of Anonymous.
You have claimed before you are a part of Anonymous while not being on KiwiFarms but just now proved the reverse is true.
I've never been a KiwiFarms user. I know what I know about the site from reading up on it, after the suicide of Near/Byuu, whose death was directly caused through harassment from KiwiFarms. The fact you jumped straight to me being a liar rather than considering this is making me think you didn't create this thread to have a honest discussion with others.
I've never claimed this either.
Please don't put words in my mouth.
One or two mods, sure, I could believe it. But we aren't talking about just one or two mods, we're talking dozens of different mod and admins banning Leni, all on different instances. As an example, the modlogs aren't wrong about Leni's Nazi apologia since they commented 50+ times in this thread, defending both the AfD and Elon's Nazi salutes.
By banned, I meant that you cannot access the site due to claiming to live in the UK. Criticize the website if you want, I am just stating my observations. They contradict you.
There are no contradictions. People can know about how KiwiFarms operates without being a user on it.
That doesn't mean what people say cannot contradict with what people can see with their own eyes.
Where did I contradict myself?
You are trying to speak for what people see when they register. I am looking right at it, it's not there.
Keep in mind as a side note that the R word is not a slur in most countries, and that many of the slurs some people do say on there are reclaimed.
I trust what I've read about the site, including what I've read on RationalWiki. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms
Conversion "therapy" isn't considered bad in most countries either. Defending slurs is not a good look.
So you'd willfully rather trust second-hand information (possibly from an old source) over second-hand information from someone you are talking to right now and even first-hand information? And from RationalWiki, a website with notoriety for biased interpretation?
What are you getting at? Conversion therapy is banned in most countries. I don't make the rules, I'm just telling you most countries don't consider it a slur (why then randomly bring up conversion therapy, something that is definitely banned and definitely has a reason to). That's just not a good argument.
I'm going to trust reliable sources. I'd rather trust those than someone who the modlogs say is an alt of a KiwiFarms member, since KiwiFarms members are known for not being the most honest people around.
It's only banned in a handful of countries, actually.
That is no justification for using slurs.
Uh huh. Right.
Funnily enough, Rational Wiki doesn't have many good things to say about Lemmy in general, including that it's not always trustworthy when conflict arises. Would you risk half of the things you've said so far here to die on the hill that it's a reliable source?
Also, I meant most civilized countries, the ones willing to place such laws. And go ahead and try convincing a country that slurs are never okay when that country doesn't believe in those slurs in the first place.
Yes, that's right. Most other sites are much more reliable than KiwiFarms and its userbase are. I'm glad we've come to an agreement on this.
I was talking about RationalWiki, not KiwiFarms. You are quoting RationalWiki claiming they're quoting KiwiFarms. This is a strawman.
As for the conversion therapy part, I meant most civilized countries, the ones willing to place such laws. Try convincing a country that slurs are never okay when that country doesn’t believe in those slurs in the first place. It doesn't usually work.
You said "most countries" with no mention of perceived civility.
KiwiFarms is a site that was created for hate speech. It is an extremist site by design. The userbase and the owner of a hate speech site are going to be maliciously biased for it.
So is RationalWiki.
I would say this about all platforms. If you want to see what a platform says, ask the platform.
The platform, at this moment, does not say what you claim it says. That is my point with that. It's not up for argument when anyone can see for themselves.
Show me your source for your new claim now.