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Democrats worry their most loyal voters won’t turn out for Biden in 2024
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From a non-US standpoint this is rather easy:
You have 2 geriatric options. Option 1 would lead to a dictatorship. Option 2 would lead to the - non-ideal - status quo.
How the fuck do you even have to think about which option would be better???
The Dems have ran non ideal status quo candidates for so long it becomes fatiguing so people stay home or write in Snoop Dogg.
While I totally understand the frustration - apathy cannot be a solution in this scenario!
You'd rather sit at home and watch your democracy go up in flames than just make an "x" on a piece of paper or a screen? Seriously, come on man...
Nothing in the comment to which you replied suggests that the commenter has given up. They merely describe what causes people to do so. At least as I read it.
Democracy is going up in flames either way, the question is whether we want it fast or slow. The only way to stop it is for the Dems to put up decent candidates who want to stop the slide, and thus far, they've declined to do so. So while yes, we should keep voting blue to slow the slide, we shouldn't be stupid enough to believe that doing so is enough to stop it.
huh
Then quit accepting it from those we elect.
Don't be an idiot. It's been going on for so long, and the two party FPTP system is so broken, that this disgruntlement is justified. If neither party changes, and if voting for the less bad choice is construed as endorsement, them what other choice does a conscientious voter have?
You do understand that the choice you are essentially voting for, if you don't vote, is a fundamentalist dictatorship that will tell you how to live your life, and imprison you if you don't obey, while taking your freedoms and wealth anyway even if you do. Yes?
Apathy is fine as long as both parties believe in running a democracy. The gop no longer does.
You don't. You don't understand the frustration. You're not part of this you're just a casual observer with an opinion formed from the outside.
I see alot of don't let perfect be the enemy of good rhetoric and it comes off to me as "I've done fairly well in this system, I'm OK with it being rigged to its core"
Last non-ideal Dem for President was... Kerry?
Clinton was definitely not ideal, lol. Just another corporate dem. I still voted for her though.
Clinton is my favorite politician, and I could not have been more excited to work on her campaign
What makes her your favorite?
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/8/hillary-clinton-dreams-open-borders-leaked-speech-/
And her health care and immigration policies. Experience in gov and general way of looking at the world. I stan a queen.
This gets me hard
Clinton probably would have been just as good as president for a third term as her first two.
non-ideal over violent civil war
this is not a tough decision, my friend
Exactly. I live in America and I can't believe the stupidity of some of these comments like "well because they're running Joe Biden I won't vote waaaah!" Ok, then enjoy your dictatorship? It culturally is the worst thing I hate about being here.
Because the dictatorship is a minor inconvenient side effect of their team winning.
This is exactly it.
Also:
..followed by endless rationalization and moving goalposts
The dictatorship is the end goal.
But if you don't consider Trump the absolute threat that he is, you just stay home. When I thought there was no way he'd win (2016) I didn't vote for Hilary because I hate her. I voted for Biden because the threat had become real.
Dems are correctly assessing that there are still people who see Trump as a clown show rather than a future dictator.
Easy is subjective. The choice is obvious but having to vote for someone you know doesn't represent most of us isn't easy. It's a hard thing that we have to do. Nobody is thinking about what option to vote for here. We're grieving the decision that's already been made for us because there's no acceptable alternative. But thanks for your contributions. It's always so very helpful when people that don't even live our lives roll up to state the obvious.
Because the status quo at this point will also kill millions, just slower.
An actual fascist dictatorship IS the real threat. What do you think trump will do if he wins?
Yep. These "I just won't vote" comments are naive.
We have lost the Supreme Court to Republicans and they put in three hack judges. We have lost the House. We barely have a 50/50, and some paid off Dems like Tricia Cotham who was a GOP plant switched sides. Steve Bannon is running chaos agent RFK Jr. to try to screw up Dem votes. We cannot pass any bills, really. We are at risk of Trump or a Hitler clone like Desantis running. We are at high risk of fascism right now.
The LAST thing we need right now is to whine about current candidate availability. We are not in a position to do so. To not vote, or even vote third party right now in our tenuous position is suicide. We can fix these things later. But not now. The goal right now is to get in enough Democrats to repair what Trump did. Then prevent it from happening again. And it takes time.
I think this mentality is what let's fascism take root. And capitalism has a natural bent for it. So trump has already done his worst damage imo. It's what continues to grow from it that is concerning.
If fascism comes to America, it will be at the hands Donald Trump or one of his devotees.
Yeah this is why I'm glad things aren't looking great for Desantis lately.
I just don't bother voting. We need a large majority of eligible voters, those who actually don't believe in the system, to stop showing up. When the tide goes out, we can all see who's swimming naked.
This is the dumbest thing I've read in this thread. I can't imagine you're anything but a troll trying to get people not to vote.
Neither party represents me