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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I'm Estonian, we also have ID requirements, and an ID card is cheap. Passports aren't expensive either, but ID cards are more useful in day to day life.

The US is fucked. There's no standardized photo ID that everyone has to have. People only get passports for travel and the country is literally so huge and diverse you can travel more than most people have money to and see many different environments without leaving it. I reckon you could spend a year in NYC alone and not see everything there is to see. In 2006, 20% of Americans had passports, in 2011 it was 37%.

The most common form of photo ID to have is the driver's license. But some people don't get one. People also have social security cards, almost everyone has one, but that's not a photo ID.

Luckily they now have something called a passport card (pretty much just an ID card but allows travel to like Canada and Mexico I think?), that only costs 30 bucks to get. The actual book form of passport is 130 for application, and if you're an adult and it's your first passport, there's a 35 dollar acceptance fee, which all together is actually too much for some people.

They also have free voter ID cards which are nowhere close to free.

There's just a lot of bureaucratic inefficiency in the whole ID system in the US. It's fucked. If you're poor and can't get time off work to get a cheap form of ID, you might be fucked. If you don't have transport, you might be fucked.

Really, they should fix all this first and THEN mandate photo ID for voting. Right now it disproportionately affects people who have a hard time getting a photo ID, i.e poor people. Then there's the whole single voting day for in-person voting. It also disproportionately affects the working class - people who might have a hard time getting time off work. Wait, why is this an issue, your employer is legally mandated to give you time off to vote? Because in red states, in areas that vote blue, they only put one voting station for a whooooole bunch of people so you'd have to drive a long distance AND wait a long time in line. AND it's only 1-4 hours depending on state AND not all states have these laws.

The whole country is rigged to not let poor people to vote as easily as the wealthy, unfortunately.

[–] Atomic -2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I've spent quite some time in the US. I'm well aware of their bureaucracy. Maybe I just have a different opinion than others. I understand it causes some issues for some, but you can get a copy, or amend your US birth certificate for $50 using their own Government website. It's really not that difficult.

The fact you need to prove citizenship to register to vote is the least of their election problems.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The fact you need to prove citizenship to register to vote is the least of their election problems.

Is it? Potentially millions of citizens can't vote. There's exactly one party pushing for voter ID laws and it's not the one that young people without driver's licenses would likely vote for.

[–] Atomic 1 points 1 week ago

Yes... the electoral college is a much bigger issue. Senators each represent vastly different amount of people, yet their voting power are equal.

Two senators from California, representing 39 million people. Have no more say than two senators from Idaho representing 2 million people.

So 39 million people get 2 votes in the senate. And 2 million people also get 2 votes in the senate.

Democrats have had total power under Biden for 2 years. Did they make it any easier to vote? So you can say that only Republicans want "voter ID laws" but neither party gives a fuck about creating a functional system.

If they cared at all. They'd make sure every citizen is automatically registered. And there wouldn't even be a need for what they're pushing now.