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Has brought "this garbage" as in more cartel violence or garbage weed?
Because if it's the former, I'd like to know why you think that is, and if you think that cartel violence would've been smaller if instead of slowly decriminalising and having problems with clashing with federal law, it could've been made 100% legal (but regulated) instantly back some years ago?
Because sometimes I tend to think that cartels won't want to give away their markets and since they may also wield indirect political influence, some decriminalisation will help them and some will hurt them.
And I think if it was legal properly and easily as other products the cartel couldn't compete just by being violent because of the amount of people participating in supply. They'd actually have to make good weed. And if they're just growing weed instead of gunning people down they're not really a problem anymore.
And since they could actually use the courts then, and it's smarter for business than straight up wars/gun violence.. They'd become just like another corporation in any other market.
I'm in backwards Finland. Been growing for some decades. Supply has increased and Finland doesn't need to import weed from anywhere so we don't have any cartels really and our own organised criminal organisations are pretty fucking mild compared to anything the US sees. But since Germany legalised, we're prolly gonna follow in like 15 years time.
Caused more of the dehydrated stuff. It's not even garbage before it's processed, of course. The cartel factor is something I'm imagining is a whole other problem as I'm not fully informed on that but some of it was in response to commercialization being something they could exploit. My mom lives out in a rural area and she told me a lot of her conservative neighbors jumped on the bandwagon, put up greenhouses on their farms without permits. Enough time has passed where most of them even got busted and the more cartel-connected greenhouses (at least near her) were all raided and slashed to the ground, are now abandoned ecological disasters.
I agree with you the rollout and the naivete of legislation contributed to the opportunities for organized crime to rush in and fill the void.
Yeah, we have never needed to import so supply and demand isn't the only driver. The fact that we are Alta California, connected to Baja California explains the sort of Breaking Bad networks that can flow up and down. I no longer live in the Bay Area so I don't hear too much about this but I knew people who described a whole other world, say North of San Francisco. I'm ashamed to say I grew up exploring California but, like most folks, true Northern California is an enigma to most of us. I believe the people I know who have firsthand descriptions of it. We've been friends for a long time and they had friends who were running their own illegal ops going way back to before our clumsy legalization.
Northern Europe really understands quality of life and is so impressive to me.
Oh yeah the borders are much softer there and the interactions politically far more complex.
We just share a large landborder with Russia and that's pretty much empty all around it. We've even designed roads to only run parallel to the border around there, so if Russia were to invade, there's no roads leading directly inwards towards the country.
That's where any legitimate organised crime threat in Finland would've come. But since we're also very small and Russian government acts very much like the Russian mafia, lol, our equivalent of the FBI, KRP, very much keeps on it's toes.
California has a 40mil population, Finland like 5.5. In California, there's a 40% population of Hispanics and Latinos. From our 5.5 there's less than 1.7% who even speak Russian.
I'm just saying that even putting all the drug trade aside, trade of every sort, cultural exchange and just exchange of people and migration and ideas in general, is, I daresay, more common there.
Because while we have small borders with northern Sweden and Norway as well, there's not much industrial scale drug growing going on up there by cartels. :D
Now with the added sanctions towards Russia in the past years, it seems some hash route shut down. A bit annoying, they manage to smuggle good hash nowadays. (It was black and tough as the bottom of your shoe in the early 00's.)
Yeah back to the business, I know exactly the type of shit you're talking about, which is why I grow my own. I think industrial trimming, then drying and the buds getting tumbled a ton while absolutely bone dry is what causes quite a lot of the shit quality.
It's very different if you hand trim and slowly cure them, never letting the relative humidity drop below like 55%. The two-way RH bags I use for curing are 62% or 59%. But I haven't tried trying to dry with just those and a long long time, I usually allow them to hang dry a few days before putting them into humidity controlled boxes. I could try the full 62% cure though, but it would be better if there was also proper ventilation.
Oh yeah homegrowing indoors has been very much a really popular thing pretty globally for like 15 years since LEDs started breaking through. Before that you'd have huge HPS lamps. It's not any different, theyre just hotter and louder and less efficient etc, and you'd need to actually have an actual grow room.
Now with tiny leds people can do all sorts of sneaky micro groweries as well.
Instead of discussing this I should be trimmin and training my plants which are just going to flower. I'm too lazy
No, we don't. People idealise it a bit too much. It's different, and probably objectively better on average, but I would definitely not back up that statement. We're far more authoritarian than you'd think. I'll link a thread after I browse for it and edit and you can have a bit of a gander as to what I mean instead of us having to get into it here
The thread starting from my comment here https://lemmy.world/comment/15812994