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The unofficial non-partisan Lemmy movement to bring proportional representation to all levels of government in Canada.

🗳️Voters deserve more choice and accountability from all politicians.


Le mouvement non officiel et non partisan de Lemmy visant à introduire la représentation proportionnelle à tous les niveaux de gouvernement au Canada.

🗳️Les électeurs méritent davantage de choix et de responsabilité de la part de tous les politiciens.




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We're looking for more moderators, especially those who are of French and indigenous identities.


Nous recherchons davantage de modérateurs, notamment ceux qui sont d'identité française et autochtone.


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Preface

I'm writing this on the eve of Ontario's 2025 election. I know that this is unfortunately another election that is not held under a proportional representation (PR) electoral system.

I am just an ordinary Canadian citizen -- I don't consider myself an activist, yet I can recognize an unfair and abusive system.

But now is not the time to let pessimism dissuade us from the democracy we deserve. With Duverger's Law (i.e., in non-PR electoral systems, a trend towards a two-parties), we are running out of time to act. Canada's 2021 effective number of parties is 2.76 - this number will decrease over time, and will eventually end Canadian democracy as we know it today.

I'm not writing this to get donation money (although here is the Fair Vote Canada donation site), but this is just the reality with live with and the future we are fighting for.

Proposed 2025 objective

While I love a good, yeasty, loaf of bread 🍞, [email protected] has 638 subscribers, which is 144.4% more than our 261. I suppose you could say I'm jealous.

Next steps

Before the end of March 2025, please comment on whether:

  • this is a good objective to have
  • if it's not a good objective, what other objectives should we pursue
  • Ideas on how to achieve our objectives

Statistics

Date users/month u/m % of c/Canada mod/u/m posts comments Subscribers subscribers % of c/Canada
2025-02-26 - - - - - 261 -
2025-02-28 785 - - - - - -
2025-03-03 866 11.994% 23.09‱ 205 629 323 3.968%
2025-03-04 942 13.120% 21.23‱ 211 654 342 4.191%
2025-03-05 894 12.556% 22.37‱ 213 665 354 4.317%
2025-03-06 891 11.770% 22.45‱ 218 674 374 4.539%
2025-03-07 904 10.984% 22.12‱ 219 683 377 4.531%
2025-03-08 951 11.149% 21.03‱ 229 694 389 4.587%
2025-03-09 971 11.174% 20.60‱ 232 706 406 4.749%
2025-03-10 1.02k 11.384% 19.61‱ 237 740 421 4.867%
2025-03-11 1.04k 11.441% 19.608‱ 238 750 437 5.017%
2025-03-12 1.05k 11.254% 19.048‱ 239 751 441 5.029%
2025-03-13 1.12K 11.655% 17.857‱ 247 804 442 5.017%
2025-03-14 1.17k 12.037% 17.094‱ 259 828 448 5.062%
2025-03-15 1.19k 12.143% 16.807‱ 270 853 452 5.079%
2025-03-16 1.22k 12.449% 16.393‱ 273 868 459 5.140%
2025-03-17 1.3k 13.333% 15.385‱ 280 907 465 5.196%
2025-03-18 1.33K 13.516% 15.038‱ 291 952 469 5.229%
2025-03-19 1.36k 13.977% 14.706‱ 296 989 471 5.233%
2025-03-20 1.41k 9.78k (u/m Canada) 2 (mods) 310 1.04k 474 9.02k (subs Canada)
2025-03-21 1.48k 10k 2 332 1.04k 479 9.04k
2025-03-22 1.51k 10.3k 2 348 1.1k 481 9.06k
2025-03-23 1.53k 10.4k 2 361 1.13k 485 9.08k
2025-03-24 1.55k 10.4k 2 370 1.18k 490 9.1k
2025-03-25 1.58k 10.5k 2 382 1.22k 509 9.13k
2025-03-26 1.64k 10.6k 2 417 1.27k 533 9.15k
2025-03-27 1.71k 10.6k 2 450 1.35k 554 9.16k
2025-03-28 1.75k 10.8k 2 476 1.4k 558 9.22k
2025-03-29 1.79k 10.9k 2 494 1.45k 562 9.26k
2025-03-30 1.83k 11k 2 516 1.47k 562 9.27k
2025-03-31 1.87k 11.1k 2 537 1.52k 571 9.31k
2025-04-01 1.92k 11.2k 2 570 1.55k 572 9.33k
2025-04-02 1.9k 11.3k 2 581 1.59k 576 9.36
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[–] threelonmusketeers 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The both of you are talking about separate topics.

Ahal is talking about the "anti-conservative" posts, while you are talking about the general Canadian politics.

The purpose of this thread is to discuss exactly that, what kinds of content we should be ok with having in this forum. Please make the case for it, as it's not been brought up explicitly by anybody except yourself.

[–] threelonmusketeers 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Ahal is talking about the "anti-conservative" posts, while you are talking about the general Canadian politics.

They kind of go hand in hand though. Given Lemmy's demographics, the "general Canadian politics" posts which get the most traction are going to be anti-conservative ones.

Please make the case for it, as it's not been brought up explicitly by anybody except yourself.

My main concern with general politics posts is that they will dilute the core message of PR. Too much "clutter" in people's feeds might also cause the people who are most interested in PR to unsubscribe.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They kind of go hand in hand though

Not really. You can have one without the other.

My main concern with general politics posts is that they will dilute the core message of PR.

We also need general politics posts to grow the movement to new people who have never heard of proportional representation before. I've generally tried to keep topics to democracy, or from PR supporting parties, or PR itself. It's not like there are no rules.

Too much “clutter” in people’s feeds might also cause the people who are most interested in PR to unsubscribe.

This isn't what I've found to be the case based on the community statistics I've been tracking every day. The data suggests more activity consisent with what I've mentioned earlier (topics to democracy, or from PR supporting parties, or PR itself).

I'm sorry that you believe this is not what the PR community needs, but if you can come up with more PR content, by all means post them to the community. I'm just a volunteer, so you really shouldn't be expecting anything from me for a free service.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

We also need general politics posts to grow the movement to new people who have never heard of proportional representation before.

That's an interesting idea, though I don't think it is the only way to achieve that goal. I think mentioning PR in and crossposting to general Canadian politics communities could work too.

This isn't what I've found to be the case based on the community statistics I've been tracking every day.

I'm not sure that raw engagement is necessarily the best metric to track. Outrage is great for engagement, but often does not lead to constructive action. For example, I've increases in "haha, PP bad" comments, which, while they might be true, exacerbate political division and do directly advance awareness of PR.

Is your strategy to use engagement-optimized posts as a sort of advertisement for the community? That would be an interesting idea, though I am unsure of its effectiveness.

I'm just a volunteer, so you really shouldn't be expecting anything from me for a free service.

Of course. I hope I didn't come across as ungrateful. I'd love to see this community succeed at its goals of getting PR implemented across Canada. Thank you for all the work that you do. :)