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2024 was the biggest decline in votership (relative to the previous election: eg, participation) of the previous 40 years.
Democrats:
Sure looks to me like both Dems and people who couldn't give enough of a shit to prevent fascist oligarchy are at fault. And neither side is likely to take responsibility for their actions in this lifetime.
I'm sure looking forward to a significantly increased chance of my loved ones dying violent deaths because non-voters wanted to "send a message" in a manner that has never resulted in positive change in modern history. /S
Do you want to win, or do you want to believe you are right in regards to electoralism and strategy.
You have to choose. You don't get to have both.
That's a nice false dichotomy that you've got there. Be a real shame if someone pointed it out.
As stated elsewhere and implied above, unlike anti-electoralists/accelerationists, I want trans people to not face repression and murder, and for overall levels of human suffering to decrease. Humans are not tools to be used and discarded as your means to an end. The ideology is literally that screenshot of Lord Farquaad from Shrek stating:
Attempting to increase human suffering in the hope that it magically leads to class consciousness and, in-turn, a violent revolution, in ways that have never occurred in documented human history, is pretty much just collaborating with fascists. Even if it were to cause an overthrow of the current order, the data shows that the odds of a left-of-center government replacing it, much less one that is stable enough to stand against external and internal threats from the elite, are questionable at best.
Chomping at the bit for mass violence and refusing to use all tools to avoid it is saying that you don't care about those who suffer most from war, the non-combatants. You know, the workers, elderly, disabled, and other vulnerable populations that leftists generally care about. In the Second World War, for example, non-combatants suffered three times the deaths of those who were fighting, with less than half attributed to the Holocaust. Most of these deaths don't occur because of bombings and collateral damage. No, the civilian deaths in war come from disruptions to civil infrastructure leading to outbreaks of preventable disease, famine, and lack of clean water (the sorts of things causing loss of life in the ongoing Palestinian genocide).
So, anytime that you think about advocating against electoral solutions, I ask that you be honest with yourself and others, clearly stating that you:
Its not a false dichotomy when it is what happened. The rest of your points aren't' worth responding to because they are projection and not arguments I've made.
You have a choice and it seems like you've made it. You've decided to sacrifice the ability to win elections because you've convinced yourself that the only thing you've tried, the route that lost 2024, is the only route available to you.
You don't actually have other options. You truly and faithfully only have two: you can do things the way you've done them before; or you can do them some other way.
The DNC tried your approach in 2016. It gave us Trump. They shifted in 2020 and took a big tent approach, where the candidate changed their policies and courted the voters to grow their constituency. It worked, they won. They tried your approach in 2024 again, it failed, we got Trump.
You want voters to be different than they are. The data we have shows your approach to electoralism doesn't work. We've got the reciepts. Negative 6 million votes. Thats what your approach is worth. We will continue to lose elections to republicans if we continue to rely on your approach to this matter.
YOU are the one who needs to be honest with themselves. If you goal isn't to win the election, what is it that I can infer you are even doing here? You want to pretend you've got some kind of moral or academic high ground when you are the very reason that all of the aforementioned groups are under threat.