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RFK Jr. Says He’ll Send People Taking Adderall to Labor Camps (www.yahoo.com)

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I hear this all the time, but I have to always point out that the only way to make Step 11 non-religious is to totally rewrite it:

Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.

There is just not a way to interpret that non-religiously without rewriting it. Which is not surprising, since AA formed out of a prayer group.

If AA helped you, I'm glad it did. But there's no science behind it and AA's success rate is between 5 and 10 percent. It does help some people mainly because it's a form of group therapy.

There are better, more scientific methods. Including medication. Unfortunately, in a for-profit healthcare system, free AA may be your only option. And your local group will almost certainly be religious.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

If AA helped you, I’m glad it did. But there’s no science behind it and AA’s success rate is between 5 and 10 percent. It does help some people mainly because it’s a form of group therapy.

And rehab and treatment has an even lower success rate. Turns out we don't really know how to fix addiction. It's really a cultural thing and we can't put a bandaid with a little bit of therapy.

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2020/03/alcoholics-anonymous-most-effective-path-to-alcohol-abstinence.html

From what I've seen AA / NA is at least as effective as other treatments, some research indicates it's more effective, and considering the fact that it's free compared to thousands of dollars minimum for any kind of treatment you're looking at a massive price delta

NA helped me get clean from heroin and at no point did anybody push religion and everyone made it clear the language is like that cause it was written a long time ago in a different time. They encourage people to take what they can use and throw away the rest.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yikes, I wasn't aware the language was so direct like that. 🤣 Yeah, nevermind then.

I was never in AA, or any program for that matter. Just used to be a smoker, and have had pretty heavy drinking habits in the past.