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Niger is one of the poorest countries in the world, receiving close to $2 billion a year in official development assistance, according to the World Bank.

It is also a key security partner of Western countries such as France, the former colonial power, and the United States, which both use it as a base for their efforts to contain an Islamist insurgency in West and Central Africa's Sahel region.

Previously seen the most stable country among several unstable neighbours, Niger is the world's seventh-biggest producer of uranium.

Niger's foreign allies so far have refused to recognize the new military government led by General Abdourahamane Tiani, previously head of the presidential guard, who officers declared head of state on Friday.

Bazoum has not been heard from since early Thursday when he was confined within the presidential palace, although the European Union, France and others say they still recognize him as the legitimate president.

"In addition to the immediate cessation of budget support, all cooperation actions in the domain of security are suspended indefinitely with immediate effect," EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said in a statement.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This insistence that we believe the 20 year old lie that all uranium comes from Cigar Lake and Ranger is infantile and insulting.

I haven't said that at all, let alone insisted upon it. I said that the original comment's assertion that the only two places that sell uranium are Russia and Niger is wrong. I stuck with Australia and Canada as examples because they're well-known close allies of France and among the world's largest producers, not because I think they're the only sources. Stop putting words in my mouth, please.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Both of which are irrelevant to france, which sources their uranium primarily from russia and their former colonies.

You brought up australia and canada with the implication that their production meant there was no dependence, which would require those two to produce uranium in sufficient quantities to supply France and the USA, and the rest of Europe from just the subset of mines not controlled by China and Russia in those countries. This is impossible given that the total production from Canada and Australia is about what France alone uses and China+Russia have major interests in both countries.

This is that same lie and now you are doubling down on it.

[–] NavalExplorer 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Both of which are irrelevant to france, which sources their uranium primarily from russia and their former colonies.

You should check the sources you are using more carefully.

In the latest data (2020), France was getting its Uranium mostly from Niger (34,7 %), Kazakhstan (28,9 %), Uzbekistan (26,4 %) and Australia (9,9 %). Russia was never really a provider apart from a small recycling operation involving 10tons last year (out a of yearly consumption of 7000 tons). Australia is actually increasing since 2020 then with Uzbekistan decreasing. And 3 out of these 4 countries have not been French colonies.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

More bizarre paltering and attempts to change the meaning of my words.

Russia owns the supply chain for the uranium from central asia for the stuff china and the US doesn't use. Just because they do the polluting and economically devistating part elsewhere (as france does in Niger) doesn't meant there isn't dependence on Rosatom and Russia.

Only one of those countries (the one with the smallest share) does not have a history (and present) of brutal exploitation by either france or russia or both.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is that same lie and now you are doubling down on it.

I do wish you'd have a conversation with me and not with whatever you've decided to be angry about.

The scale of France's uranium usage vs Australia and Canada's production is a fair refutation to what I said. It's also a refutation to Niger and Russia being the only markets to buy from as was said in the comment I originally brought up Canada and Australia to respond to, and they produce more than Niger and Russia. As you've brought up, Central Asia is the part making the difference here, and that requires looking in to who controls the mines in those countries. It looks like France is still buying uranium from Russian-controlled sources in Kazakhstan particularly.

None of what I said requires me to think that nuclear power is the magic bullet to solve all problems or that Canada and Australia are the only uranium producers in the world, and nor did I ever intend to imply either of those things. You just stuck them in between the lines of my comments somewhere.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Every single time the topic of the complete environmental and geopolitical clusterfuck of uranium comes up, someone comes along with the astroturfed propaganda bullshit line about how cigar lake and ranger (which are also clusterfucks, just much smaller ones) means it's all fine.

Whether or not you're doing it on purpose, you're spreading russian propaganda. It's really gross. You're now paltering again by claiming the rounding error of the contribution from Australia means the overwhelming majority that comes from Niger and Russia isn't the important bit.

France's history and present in Niger is brutal, violent, and environmentally economically devistating.

Russia's present in Niger and central asia is even worse.

France depends on both for over 50% of its electricity (and 90% of their nuclear power) and has made zero actions to stop funding a terrorist state's nuclear weapons infrastructureand violent colonisation program. Instead they are actively spreading propaganda and fighting against russian sanctions.