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The Munich Security Conference report warns that Trump’s proposed territorial acquisitions, including Greenland, Panama, and Canada, have damaged the U.S.'s global standing, making it seen as a risk rather than a stabilizing force.

The report highlights the decline of U.S.-led global leadership amid a shift toward a multipolar world, with China and Russia expanding influence.

European leaders will press U.S. officials on NATO commitments and Ukraine support.

Survey data shows U.S. risks are now perceived as greater than Russia’s in many G7 nations.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 day ago (5 children)

This may actually have pretty big consequences for the US, especially if it doesn't cool-down quickly. How long before some EU nation start to build some military ties with Russia and China ? Sure it'll take decades to build an alliance, but a couple of liason officer and a joint exercise, most likely using counter-terrorism or anti-piracy as a pretext, may happen sooner than Trump think.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I agree with the sentiment, but I don't think a military alliance with Russia is even on the table. That'd be replacing one abusive "ally" with another.
Just because America is suddenly untrustworthy and a risk, doesn't mean that Russia isn't a threat anymore.

Imo, Europe is better off forging its own path, only collaborating with countries such as China when it is in our strategic interest to do so.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago

Imo, Europe is better off forging its own path, only collaborating with countries such as China when it is in our strategic interest to do so.

Europe, without the U.S. needs to increase it's military spending. (Same with Canada, who, I hate to say it, really needs to get some nukes onto it's territory on loan from somehwere)

Ironically, NATO increasing it's military spending is something that the U.S. has been bitching about for years. So now they'd finally get their wish, but in some weird monkey's paw Faustian way.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago

I’d think you are more likely to see the US ally with Russia than to see Europe do so. Given trumps fondness for Putin and all.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

We need to provide an inviting environment for research and study, become the learning center of the world, super-partes.

We don't have alternatives as we don't have the resources or population of the other powers.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago

China is a possibility because (AFAIK) they don't have any territorial ambitions in Europe, but Russia is definitely off the table. I don't think any significant number of Europeans would be OK allying with Russia. In fact, I think it's more likely that if a war breaks out that Russia and the USA will be on the same side.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Guaranteed Putin has put a bug in his ear that only great leaders expand their territories and get enshrined in history.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 21 hours ago

I mean they do get enshrined in history, not in a good way, until a handful of decades later, apparently.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago

It is way easier to ruin something than to build it up. This goes especially for Trust. Trump is currently burning about any past-'45 trust the US has accumulated in a bonfire of egoism.

And I don't think that Europe will turn towards Russia or China. Europe is big and strong enough to stand on it's own.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why do you think that Europeans are as stupid as North Americans? Sure, here in Canada and the US we love to switch to worse options because “change” but generally the EU is much better about that kind of thing. They’ll strengthen their own militaries and continue working together as they have been.

Also Russia? Really? The ones actually attacking European countries instead of just threatening? Really?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Far right is rapidly rising in Europe.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Absolutely true, but at least right now they aren’t going to switching from the US to the country attacking them becauss they’re afraid of the US attacking them.

“Hey, they might punch us in the face. Say, guy actively punching me in the gut, you like punching do you wanna be friends?”

It’s just such a lame take.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 21 hours ago

Oic, better the far right at home than the foreign far right. /s

I think we need to start building inroads with our neighbors at home and abroad, and not wait on governments to do anything.